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Old 04-07-2003, 06:20 AM   #31
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You mean like Jeremiah 25:12 where it's written that Babylon will be in perpetual desolation? Babylon isn't desolated yet... it's present-day Iraq. The bit between the Tigris and Euphrates is some of the most beautiful country in the world. Similarly, Isaiah 13:19-20 that says Babylon will never again be inhabited. It's inhabited.
Yup, you're right - hasn't happened yet - but funny coincidence that War is taking place at Babylon.

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Or Isaiah 17:1, that says Damascus will be destroyed and never again inhabited? It's still there, still inhabited. Maybe this is one that just "has yet to take place".
Right again, hasn't happened yet - but i guess you don't pay attention to current news. Haven't heard talk about Syria helping the Iraqs and fighting with Israel? There is fear that Israel or the U.S will end up fighting Syria, and destroy Damascus in the process.

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Or 19:5, that says the Nile will dry up? Yeah, that's likely.
Whats so unbelievable about that? This could refer to Revelation where "stars will fall from the heavens" and could very well evaporate the Nile. Who knows, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't.

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Or how about 19:23-24, where it is proclaimed that there will be an alliance between Egypt, Isreal, and Assyria? It hasn't happened yet, and probably won't since Assyria doesn't exist as a country anymore.
There will be. The Antichrist will usher in a time of false peace between Israel and her enemies ( Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and the rest of the middle east) - Assyria is present-day northern Iraq. Since Iraq didn't exist 2500 years ago, why would they write about a place that no one of the time would understand? Whereas, we understand it because we know that ancient Assyria, mentioned in the Bible - is modern day Iraq.

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Oh, and let's not forget that even the New Testament doesn't fulfill some rather important prophecies. Check out 7:14 - Jesus was NEVER EVER called "Emmanuel". OOps. God makes a typo?
Oops, yes He is.

Actually, Mat 1:21-23:

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

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And that's just Isaiah, and not even all of it!

Quite a few prophetical events that never happened, and can't happen anymore. But I'm still supposed to believe this book is the literal word of God?
And, now why can't they happen anymore?
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Old 04-07-2003, 08:55 AM   #32
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Yup, you're right - hasn't happened yet - but funny coincidence that War is taking place at Babylon.
So are you hinting that Bush is going to nuke Iraq ?

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Right again, hasn't happened yet - but i guess you don't pay attention to current news. Haven't heard talk about Syria helping the Iraqs and fighting with Israel? There is fear that Israel or the U.S will end up fighting Syria, and destroy Damascus in the process.
Another nuking event in the making ?

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Whats so unbelievable about that? This could refer to Revelation where "stars will fall from the heavens" and could very well evaporate the Nile. Who knows, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't.
If the day a sun (a star is a sun unless you don't know anything about astronomy) will crash into the planet earth, the Nile will be evaporated long before the sun & our planet actually meets.

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There will be. The Antichrist will usher in a time of false peace between Israel and her enemies ( Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and the rest of the middle east) - Assyria is present-day northern Iraq. Since Iraq didn't exist 2500 years ago, why would they write about a place that no one of the time would understand? Whereas, we understand it because we know that ancient Assyria, mentioned in the Bible - is modern day Iraq.
They do know what Assyria is though. A resurrection of the nation known as Assyria in their times could be likely as well. If 'Iraq' is used instead, then you have a case.

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Oops, yes He is.

Actually, Mat 1:21-23:

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

And, now why can't they happen anymore?
If you read those thingies properly, we are seeing two different persons. One named jesus to save people from sins & another named emmanuel borned of a virgin. I don't see any relations between these 2 persons.

So how long are you going to wait ? Until the Nile dried up because a stray sun comes too near the planet Earth ?
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He also needed to know that if he wanted to live, really live, then he needed to stay away from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Did Adam know the difference between living and dying? Was there death in the garden?

And God revealed to him exactly what he needed to know.

Did God warn him about Satan, who might disguise himself as a talking serpent?

The rest of the stuff wasn't important until after the Fall when God began working to bring mankind back to himself.

I think that if the rest of the stuff had been included, there wouldn't have been a Fall.

"Adam, if you eat that fruit, or even if your woman feeds it to you, I'm going to give you innumerable laws, complex and contradictory, many going against science and common sense, and then I'm going to kill my own child for you, and then I'm going to torture billions of people in hell for all eternity!"

Eat the fruit? They'd probably have run screaming at the idea.
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