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tgamble · 02-15-2002, 06:37 PM

My personal favorites are:

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S. M. STANLEY , Johns Hopkins Univ., "It is doubtful whether, in the absence of fossils, the idea of evolution would represent anything more than an outrageous hypothesis....
The fossil record and only the fossil record provides direct evidence of major sequential changes in the Earth's biota."

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FOSSILS INDICATE CREATION! E.J.H. CORNOR, Cambridge "Much evidence can be adduced in favor of the Theory of Evolution from Biology, Biogeography, and Paleontology, but I still think that to the unprejudiced the fossil record of plants is in
favor of special creation." <CONTEMPORARY BOTANICAL THOUGHT>, p.61

How the above quotes support creationism is something I haven't figured out yet.

Anyway, one of the quotes was from Dawkins of all people (I don't know why, Dawkins is, after all, a well known atheist.) the quote is:

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RICHARD DAWKINS , Cambridge, "And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists....the only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation...", <THE BLIND WATCHMAKER>, 1986, p229-230

What's missing here? Obviously Dawkins isn't a creationist!

<a href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/FOSSILR.TXT" target="_blank">http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/FOSSILR.TXT</a>

Automaton · 02-15-2002, 07:13 PM

Creationists are such pathetic fucking liars it infuriates me to tears.

tgamble · 02-15-2002, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Automaton:
Creationists are such pathetic fucking liars it infuriates me to tears.

I sense hostility...

Daggah · 02-15-2002, 08:03 PM

Geez, I'm looking at the text that the Dawkins quote is taken from right now and they absolutely butchered it!

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...Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Evolutionists of all stripes believe, however, that this really does represent a very large gap in the fossil record, a gap that is simply due to the fact that, for some reason, very few fossils have lasted from periods before about 600 million years ago....there is no difference whatever in the interpretations of 'punctuationists' and 'gradualists.' Both schools of thought despise so-called scientific creationists equally...Both schools of thought agree that the only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation, and both would reject this alternative.

tgamble · 07-28-2002, 03:47 PM

bumping the thread cause it gives a good example of creationist incompetance.

Starboy · 07-28-2002, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
bumping the thread cause it gives a good example of creationist incompetance.

If not outright deceit! I guess anything is allowed in the name of Jesus. They keep this up and half the US will become unbelievers in the next ten years.

tgamble · 07-28-2002, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Starboy:
If not outright deceit!

The Dawkins quote was deceit. The other two were just incompetance. Useing such quotes as evidence against evolution? It's bizzare!

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I guess anything is allowed in the name of Jesus. They keep this up and half the US will become unbelievers in the next ten years.

One can hope.

Valentine Pontifex · 07-28-2002, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
What's missing here? Obviously Dawkins isn't a creationist!

I don't think that the creationists are trying to claim otherwise. Rather they are trying to support a false dichotomy.

Albion · 07-28-2002, 05:57 PM

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What's missing here? Obviously Dawkins isn't a creationist!

Ah, yes, but, doesn't that quote show that he's a liar? I mean, when even an atheist has to admit that special creation happened, it shows that evolution is false and Dawkins is deluding himself.

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO NOT BEARING FALSE WITNESS??? Is there some footnote somewhere that we all missed that said that lying was OK if the end justified the means?

KeithHarwood · 07-28-2002, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Albion:


WHATEVER HAPPENED TO NOT BEARING FALSE WITNESS??? Is there some footnote somewhere that we all missed that said that lying was OK if the end justified the means?

It's not a footnote, it's in one of the Epistles of Paul. Eusebius (sp?) put it on a sound theological basis in the fourth century. It's SOP for most, if not all Christian denominations.

Edited to add:

Where the Creationists go wrong is that they don't follow St. Augustine's advice on the subject. He said that you shouldn't make the lies so blatantly obvious that you make Christianity look stupid.

[ July 28, 2002: Message edited by: KeithHarwood ]

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