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mark9950 · 07-27-2003, 03:20 AM

without the obvious signs that a prophecy should be made that will come true,You know it looks like-prophesy-it came true.

Doctor X · 07-27-2003, 03:30 AM

One sure fire way to date a text is right after the event it prophesized! So . . . yes . . . the Synoptics "prophesized" the destruction of the Temple . . . only they were written after the event!

It is a bit like me claiming I predicted the JFK assassination. I did . . . trust me!

Another thing is to make the prophecy so damn vague you can attach it to anything. The infamous Croeseus (sp?) is such a case. He gave shit-loads of $$ to the Oracle at Delphi to ask if he would win if he attacked Persia. The response: "Croeseus will destroy a great empire."

Of he went . . . and lost . . . fortunately for him the Persian Emperor put him up in a nice place--not the usual "spike entrails on west gate" hospitality--and allowed him to send a "complaint" letter to the Oracle.

Well . . . of course he destroyed an empire . . . his own!

Anyways, there is a guy who will pay you 1 Million Dollars! [!--Ed.] if you can prophesize successfully.

Prophecy serves as a way to "legitimize" current events in the great sacred mileu.

--J.D.

mark9950 · 07-27-2003, 04:27 PM

If there were real people that actually really predicted real events (not events that can be easily created by anyone) in the future the answer would be No.

Magus55 · 07-27-2003, 06:32 PM

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without the obvious signs that a prophecy should be made that will come true,You know it looks like-prophesy-it came true.

Yes hundreds - not that you think any of them are valid though. Ezekial 36-37 is a big one that has happened recently (Israel war in the 1940's)

Sauron · 07-27-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Yes hundreds - not that you think any of them are valid though. Ezekial 36-37 is a big one that has happened recently (Israel war in the 1940's)

Maybe you can go into detail here. From what I can see, your source quotations do not appear to have come true.

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EZE 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
EZE 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
EZE 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
EZE 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
EZE 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
EZE 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
EZE 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

07-27-2003, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Yes hundreds - not that you think any of them are valid though. Ezekial 36-37 is a big one that has happened recently (Israel war in the 1940's)

One day, GWB will get his ass out of the White House and America will elect a competent president.

Until that happens, that will be a great goal to shoot for. When that does happen, I can stand up and yell, "I told you so!"

WinAce · 07-27-2003, 07:36 PM

I think he also forgot that Ezekiel 36-37 referred to *contemporary* events, i.e. the Jews' return from captivity at the hands of Assyrians and Babylonians.

Why are you quoting this non-prophecy as support for your position after it's been refuted over and over again, Magus? Mere ignorance, simple incompetence or intentional dishonesty?

Do you think anyone of us here would be convinced if you quoted from a civil-war history book alluding to President Lincoln's assassination as a "prophecy" of president Kennedy's death?

mark9950 · 07-27-2003, 08:16 PM

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Yes hundreds - not that you think any of them are valid though. Ezekial 36-37 is a big one that has happened recently (Israel war in the 1940's)

And show me some proof.

Why would you say that I would think they would not be valid though?Are they valid or not?Did they happen or not?

I am waiting

mark9950 · 07-27-2003, 08:26 PM

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EZE 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

That prophecy has not happened recently.

King David is dead and Ariel Sharon is Israels leader.

Is Ariel Sharon in the OT as a prophecy?

Boro Nut · 07-28-2003, 04:42 AM

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Has any prohecies come true?

Not yet, and I predict they wont do soon either.

Boro Nut

Except this one, which will do soon, obviously.

07-27-2003, 03:20 AM	#1
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Has any prophecies come true? without the obvious signs that a prophecy should be made that will come true,You know it looks like-prophesy-it came true.

07-27-2003, 04:27 PM	#3
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	I understand you to mean If there were real people that actually really predicted real events (not events that can be easily created by anyone) in the future the answer would be No.

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07-27-2003, 03:30 AM	#2
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	One sure fire way to date a text is right after the event it prophesized! So . . . yes . . . the Synoptics "prophesized" the destruction of the Temple . . . only they were written after the event! It is a bit like me claiming I predicted the JFK assassination. I did . . . trust me! Another thing is to make the prophecy so damn vague you can attach it to anything. The infamous Croeseus (sp?) is such a case. He gave shit-loads of $$ to the Oracle at Delphi to ask if he would win if he attacked Persia. The response: "Croeseus will destroy a great empire." Of he went . . . and lost . . . fortunately for him the Persian Emperor put him up in a nice place--not the usual "spike entrails on west gate" hospitality--and allowed him to send a "complaint" letter to the Oracle. Well . . . of course he destroyed an empire . . . his own! Anyways, there is a guy who will pay you 1 Million Dollars! [!--Ed.] if you can prophesize successfully. Prophecy serves as a way to "legitimize" current events in the great sacred mileu. --J.D.

07-27-2003, 07:36 PM	#7
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	I think he also forgot that Ezekiel 36-37 referred to contemporary events, i.e. the Jews' return from captivity at the hands of Assyrians and Babylonians. Why are you quoting this non-prophecy as support for your position after it's been refuted over and over again, Magus? Mere ignorance, simple incompetence or intentional dishonesty? Do you think anyone of us here would be convinced if you quoted from a civil-war history book alluding to President Lincoln's assassination as a "prophecy" of president Kennedy's death?

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