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The thin man · 10-11-2002, 07:32 AM

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Evil Milkman · 10-11-2002, 06:17 PM

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My thoughts exactly. This thread needs to be further discussed.

So the question still remains: What would happen to the people who haven't heard the gospels?

Assuming it's true, of course...

So, anyone theists wanna give it a shot? Please, some other people need to assist St. Robert in this discussion.

Copernic · 10-11-2002, 06:55 PM

I posed this question to a fundie friend of mine.
My example, however was a Buddhist Monk living a good life in Nepal, not bothering anyone, completely focused on the well-being of his community, teaching the young'ns about right and wrong, doing his best to better the world around him.....
Little does he know, that according to Christian dogma, he is to spend the rest of eternity tormenting in the fires of hell.
Too bad, so sad.
As I write this, all I can think is that Christianity has an evil, little, despicable god.

J

Evil Milkman · 10-11-2002, 07:08 PM

Copernic: If you don't know already, there's actually a very well written fictional story about Raji, a peaceful Buddhist similar to your monk. You can find it <a href="http://atheist.8k.com/rajijoey.html" target="_blank">here</a>. After reading it, I admit: I became a little emotional. But after thinking about it, I almost laughed at the absurdity the story exposed.

Copernic · 10-12-2002, 06:16 AM

I'm a great deal curious to find out what Christians think of this story. How they reconcile the absurdity of it.

My initial thoughts is that a majority of Christians would not agree that this is the way it goes down, that somehow there is a loophole that would allow Raji to make it to Heaven. This thinking, however, only demonstrates the inconsistancy, and lack of depth in their beliefs.

To be truly consistant with the Bible, they need to know that 5 billion souls alive today will end up in eternal damnation because of mere ignorance and geographical/cultural misfortune.

J

Evil Milkman · 10-12-2002, 06:42 AM

Well said, Copernic. I believe that if more hardline Christians would really take this cruelty into consideration, there would be a whole lot less of them.

Many times, I think that Christians are afraid of this particular subject because of Biblical inconsistences for it. After all, the Bible is supposed to be their one true source of truth, and even it can't explain away some of these questions adequately.

Anyone with more ideas/thoughts/comments?

The thin man · 10-15-2002, 08:42 AM

Didn't mean to chase St. Robert away.

It seems to me that if christianity is the one true religion (as all xtians claim) then it must answer the difficult questions as easily as the powder-puff questions.

I'm surprised St. Robert didn't claim that Jesus had a new covenant, which invalidated the laws of the OT. I've heard that a few times!

Copernic · 10-15-2002, 10:09 AM

This is probably one of the most interesting of arguments that have come across these forums. Its sad we don't have more Xtians taking us to task on our reasoning.

Evil Milkman, how 'bout we take this out of misc religious discussions and make it pointedly an Existance of God question. Perhaps we'll spurn some more interest.

I wan't to know if your Eskimo is going to hell or not.

J

Evil Milkman · 10-15-2002, 07:45 PM

Copernic, that sounds good. PM me if you'd like to write the opening post. I'm too tired at the moment.

St. Robert · 10-17-2002, 05:41 PM

The thin man,

I'm still here. I haven't gone anywhere.

In the verses you mentioned, they are referring to the High Priest who would enter the Most Holy Place and present a sacrifical lamb that was to be without blemish as an atonement for sin. It is true that the High Priest was also to be without defect just as the animal was to be without defect. These OT sacrifices in the Most Holy Place (a small area in the temple) was a foreshadowing of the Messiah (God's perfect sacrifical offering to us).

To say that God didn't want handicapped people in the temple is simply not true.

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10-11-2002, 07:32 AM	#81
The thin man Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux City, IA Posts: 10	(bump)

10-11-2002, 06:55 PM	#83
Copernic Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 446	I posed this question to a fundie friend of mine. My example, however was a Buddhist Monk living a good life in Nepal, not bothering anyone, completely focused on the well-being of his community, teaching the young'ns about right and wrong, doing his best to better the world around him..... Little does he know, that according to Christian dogma, he is to spend the rest of eternity tormenting in the fires of hell. Too bad, so sad. As I write this, all I can think is that Christianity has an evil, little, despicable god. J

10-11-2002, 07:08 PM	#84
Evil Milkman Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	Copernic: If you don't know already, there's actually a very well written fictional story about Raji, a peaceful Buddhist similar to your monk. You can find it <a href="http://atheist.8k.com/rajijoey.html" target="_blank">here</a>. After reading it, I admit: I became a little emotional. But after thinking about it, I almost laughed at the absurdity the story exposed.

10-12-2002, 06:16 AM	#85
Copernic Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 446	I'm a great deal curious to find out what Christians think of this story. How they reconcile the absurdity of it. My initial thoughts is that a majority of Christians would not agree that this is the way it goes down, that somehow there is a loophole that would allow Raji to make it to Heaven. This thinking, however, only demonstrates the inconsistancy, and lack of depth in their beliefs. To be truly consistant with the Bible, they need to know that 5 billion souls alive today will end up in eternal damnation because of mere ignorance and geographical/cultural misfortune. J

10-12-2002, 06:42 AM	#86
Evil Milkman Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	Well said, Copernic. I believe that if more hardline Christians would really take this cruelty into consideration, there would be a whole lot less of them. Many times, I think that Christians are afraid of this particular subject because of Biblical inconsistences for it. After all, the Bible is supposed to be their one true source of truth, and even it can't explain away some of these questions adequately. Anyone with more ideas/thoughts/comments?

10-15-2002, 08:42 AM	#87
The thin man Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux City, IA Posts: 10	Didn't mean to chase St. Robert away. It seems to me that if christianity is the one true religion (as all xtians claim) then it must answer the difficult questions as easily as the powder-puff questions. I'm surprised St. Robert didn't claim that Jesus had a new covenant, which invalidated the laws of the OT. I've heard that a few times!

10-15-2002, 10:09 AM	#88
Copernic Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 446	This is probably one of the most interesting of arguments that have come across these forums. Its sad we don't have more Xtians taking us to task on our reasoning. Evil Milkman, how 'bout we take this out of misc religious discussions and make it pointedly an Existance of God question. Perhaps we'll spurn some more interest. I wan't to know if your Eskimo is going to hell or not. J

10-15-2002, 07:45 PM	#89
Evil Milkman Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	Copernic, that sounds good. PM me if you'd like to write the opening post. I'm too tired at the moment.

10-17-2002, 05:41 PM	#90
St. Robert Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 170	The thin man, I'm still here. I haven't gone anywhere. In the verses you mentioned, they are referring to the High Priest who would enter the Most Holy Place and present a sacrifical lamb that was to be without blemish as an atonement for sin. It is true that the High Priest was also to be without defect just as the animal was to be without defect. These OT sacrifices in the Most Holy Place (a small area in the temple) was a foreshadowing of the Messiah (God's perfect sacrifical offering to us). To say that God didn't want handicapped people in the temple is simply not true.

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