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Gringo · 02-13-2002, 06:47 PM

How would one explain the accuracy of Jeremiah 33: 22 and Genesis 15: 5? These verses seem so far ahead of their times, how does one explain them? This and other verses are mentioned at<a href="http://www.creationists.org/foreknowledge.html" target="_blank">site</a>. Wouldn't it appear that the writer of Jeremiah and Genesis had knowledge as to the number of stars in the Universe long before anyone else did?

David Gould · 02-13-2002, 06:54 PM

The stars are too many to count?

How is that impressive?

For a start, it may be just poetic hyperbole.
Secondly, it it hardly accurate. If the universe is finite, then it is possible to count the stars.

As the Bible supposedly says that the universe is finite, it must be wrong on one of these points.

If the Bible said there are 3,363,384,448 stars in a 468,104.391 light year diameter sphere 380 million light years away from the North Pole on 3 December 4986 AD and we discovered that this was true that would be impressive.

hyzer · 02-13-2002, 06:54 PM

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut occasionally.

Kevin Dorner · 02-13-2002, 07:02 PM

And this is about biological evolution... how?

I expect it will get moved pronto.

tronvillain · 02-13-2002, 07:36 PM

It sounds to me as if they either weren't too good with large numbers or weren't willing to go to the trouble of actually counting.

lpetrich · 02-13-2002, 07:51 PM

I wonder when these apologists will claim that the Bible had stated evolution by natural selection long before Charles Darwin's magnum opus.

Vorkosigan · 02-13-2002, 08:31 PM

Ecc 1:6
The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

According to that site, this is evidence for........the Jet Stream!

For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop [and] distil upon man abundantly.

Evidence for.....the hydrological cycle! Of course, it's missing the bottom half of the cycle.

Michael

Quetzal · 02-13-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich:
<strong>I wonder when these apologists will claim that the Bible had stated evolution by natural selection long before Charles Darwin's magnum opus.</strong>

Maybe after they figure out an actual definition of "kind". Or just possibly after they decide wtf "new information" means. Or maybe [*drumroll*] after they finally admit there is no barrier between micro- and macroevolution.

Look for an updated version of the babble: the "Evolved Newly Reformed Neo-Orthodox Darwinian Synthesis Bible" edition (aka the "God Inspired Darwin" version).

Utnapishtim · 02-13-2002, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Fact
The stars are too great in number to count

And then on the page with links to universe expanding we find:

Quote:

There are a finite number of stars

sigh...

Vorkosigan · 02-14-2002, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by Grond:
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sigh...</strong>

Welcome aboard, Grond. Have you posted in the welcome forum?

Did you take that name in token of your future bashing your head against the wall of theism?

Michael

02-13-2002, 06:47 PM	#1
Gringo Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: WV Posts: 207	Biblical Foreknowledge of Science How would one explain the accuracy of Jeremiah 33: 22 and Genesis 15: 5? These verses seem so far ahead of their times, how does one explain them? This and other verses are mentioned at<a href="http://www.creationists.org/foreknowledge.html" target="_blank">site</a>. Wouldn't it appear that the writer of Jeremiah and Genesis had knowledge as to the number of stars in the Universe long before anyone else did?

02-13-2002, 08:31 PM	#7
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Ecc 1:6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. According to that site, this is evidence for........the Jet Stream! For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop [and] distil upon man abundantly. Evidence for.....the hydrological cycle! Of course, it's missing the bottom half of the cycle. Michael

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02-13-2002, 06:54 PM	#2
David Gould Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 759	The stars are too many to count? How is that impressive? For a start, it may be just poetic hyperbole. Secondly, it it hardly accurate. If the universe is finite, then it is possible to count the stars. As the Bible supposedly says that the universe is finite, it must be wrong on one of these points. If the Bible said there are 3,363,384,448 stars in a 468,104.391 light year diameter sphere 380 million light years away from the North Pole on 3 December 4986 AD and we discovered that this was true that would be impressive.

02-13-2002, 06:54 PM	#3
hyzer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: philadelphia Posts: 1,844	Even a blind squirrel can find a nut occasionally.

02-13-2002, 07:02 PM	#4
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	And this is about biological evolution... how? I expect it will get moved pronto.

02-13-2002, 07:36 PM	#5
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	It sounds to me as if they either weren't too good with large numbers or weren't willing to go to the trouble of actually counting.

02-13-2002, 07:51 PM	#6
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	I wonder when these apologists will claim that the Bible had stated evolution by natural selection long before Charles Darwin's magnum opus.

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