03-13-2003, 06:12 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Scotland, UK
Posts: 602
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I will be leaving for a time
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Originally posted by Albert Cipriani
Cool posts,
Jobar:
What's wrong with the concept of omnipresent is the concept of presence. It implies distance, space, a difference. None of this is possible with God. Creation comprises distance and extension. So if the only way we can conceive of the Creator being at one with with His Creation is to give Him these temporal finite properties (e.g., position, extension), then so be it. But it is a fundamentally flawed way of thinking.
Tho Theology 101 has God being omnipresent and omniscient, I reject both terms as inadequete expressions of the truth they hint at amid the intellectual white noise they produce. "Soul" is another such word that does more to muddy the water than to raise a drop of truth to our lips.
Perhaps the best way to express what I've been trying to express to you on this board is as follows: Everything in part and as a whole is God save attitudes. Our soul, then, can be conceived of as the sum total of all our attitudes. Our free will, then, can be conceived of as our current attitude. The more our attitudes conform to God's attitude, the more god-like we are. But we are really nothing; there's literally nothing here but God to more or less of a degree, like how your eyes are more you than say your toe nails or your image in the mirror. Thus, the Eucharist can be completely God, more god-like than the godliest saint (because of God'sattitude toward the host).
Jobar:
Yes and no. Yes, our universe, as far as we are able to extend it, is the stage set for the morality play that is our purpose here. No, Catholicism does not dogmatize our exclusive place in the universe. It's a matter of legitimate speculation whether or not we are alone in the universe and in that sense function as the only role around which Creation has been designed as the backdrop to, as theater in the round showcasing the sound and the fury signifying nothing.
Fiach:
That's what most people think and most people think irrationally. In other words, you're got it as stogged full of habergamillion as all the rest. (Hope my virgin use of your terminology is syntactically correct.) 
If matter or energy were not really God in some sense, then they are demigods, something independent of God, which invalidates God's job description.
Fiach:
Yes and no. On every Earth that sinned, the full treatment would be required. On every Earth that did not sin, we would walk in the cool of the morning with God, as Adam and Eve did. That's about as traditional as you can get as its mentioned in the first few pages of the first book of the Bible. -- Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic
P.S. Sorry to hear of your plans to leave, Fiach. I left for a year, and see, like in the movie Ploitergiest, I'm back. I'd like to think that this is the virtual Hotel California, where you can check out but never leave.
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Thanks Albert, I will be going on a research sabbatical in molecular genetics in China for a few months. I will be at the Guangzhou Medical College and later Changzhi Medical College but being in China, I am not sure if I can get internet connection while I am there. If I can, I will. But I'll come back in 2-3 months. I have two research papers that will be ready for final draft so I may be much more harried than usual for a while. And I am negotiating to work at some point in the Seattle, WA area on an Alzheimer's Disease Research/treatment study. Crikey, am I over-extended?
Fiach
Fiach
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