FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-13-2003, 09:06 AM   #1
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SouthEastern US
Posts: 1,165
Default What does 'consciousness' mean to you?

A simple question for all to ponder..

I'm interested in what everyone thinks regarding the human phenomenon simply referred to as 'consciousness'.

Whether your religous or not.. what does it mean to you?
What defines it? How did it originate? Is it something special or just mere chance?

Let me know what you think.
Smilin is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 09:44 AM   #2
Honorary Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: In the fog of San Francisco
Posts: 12,631
Default

This looks to be more of a Science and Scepticism topic, or possibly Evolution (and Creationism), but I'm going to move it to the former and see how it flies.

cheers,
Michael
MF&P Moderator, First Class
The Other Michael is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 09:51 AM   #3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 7,204
Default Re: What does 'consciousness' mean to you?

Quote:
Originally posted by Smilin
A simple question for all to ponder..

I'm interested in what everyone thinks regarding the human phenomenon simply referred to as 'consciousness'.

Whether your religous or not.. what does it mean to you?
What defines it? How did it originate? Is it something special or just mere chance?

Let me know what you think.
Consciousness is a state of awareness where you can comprehend and interact with your surroundings. Now conscience is a another story.
Magus55 is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 10:30 AM   #4
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,088
Default

being aware of your awareness. Just a slightly more advanced brain. that's it imho.
Paul2 is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 10:42 AM   #5
dk
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,774
Default Re: Re: What does 'consciousness' mean to you?

Quote:
Originally posted by Magus55
Consciousness is a state of awareness where you can comprehend and interact with your surroundings. Now conscience is a another story.
I would argue...

Awareness is a state of consciousness where you can comprehend and interact with your surroundings.

hehehe
dk is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 11:28 AM   #6
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Standin in the rain, talkin to myself
Posts: 4,025
Default

From a neurologic standpoint, consciousness entails two components: wakefulness and awareness of self and environment. In other words, consciousness requires arousal and content.

The absence of arousal precludes awareness – if you’re not awake, you’re not aware. But arousal alone is not sufficient for awareness. The best example is the vegetative state, where a person is awake but not aware of themselves or their environment.
doghouse is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 11:46 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: sugar factory
Posts: 873
Default

Quote:
but I'm going to move it to the former and see how it flies.
I have been wondering lately if it is possible to be a fly? Feasibly, your current constitution could have taken many forms given the right treatment. Thereby, one could become a dog, like me, or perhaps something closer such as an ape.

Even as humans, who is to say that we all have the same awareness.. we all notice different things. Does a newborn human have less consciousness than you or I. If so, what is the difference? Abstract thought perhaps? Feedback between the motor neurons in our senses and the cortical structures deep in our brains. How would a lack of sensory tools affect us prior to, and after experience?

Further, imagine that you contracted alzheimers or, even worse, you were infected with the ebola virus, which eats up your brain. yet leaves the body living. Clearly it is not enough to be alive, in order to be conscious.
sweep is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 03:12 PM   #8
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Standin in the rain, talkin to myself
Posts: 4,025
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by sweep
Clearly it is not enough to be alive, in order to be conscious.
Of course not.

One word: sleep.
doghouse is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 04:42 PM   #9
dk
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,774
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by doghouse
Of course not.

One word: sleep.
Hey doghouse,

If I can remember my dream then I'm certainly aware of it, and if reflect upon my dream I am certainly conscious of it. What does it mean?
dk is offline  
Old 03-13-2003, 04:48 PM   #10
dk
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,774
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by doghouse
From a neurologic standpoint, consciousness entails two components: wakefulness and awareness of self and environment. In other words, consciousness requires arousal and content.

The absence of arousal precludes awareness – if you’re not awake, you’re not aware. But arousal alone is not sufficient for awareness. The best example is the vegetative state, where a person is awake but not aware of themselves or their environment.
Formally, consciousness defines a controlled thought, and awarenses is passive, or an experienced thought. I drive to work every day and seem to arrive without being conscious of the drive unless something wierd happens. But since I get there, I have to assume I was aware of the drive.
dk is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:17 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.