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Mageth · 08-05-2003, 10:54 AM

Who gives a sh*t about reality?!

As an example, the man who, in his fantasy, thinks he can fly and thus leaps off a building, only to be struck by the reality of the ground. I'm sure that, at some point before his unavoidable fate with the real ground, he realizes that his fantasy was wrong and in reality he can't fly.

Philosoft · 08-05-2003, 10:57 AM

I see a thread destined for GRD.

Wyrdsmyth · 08-05-2003, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Alan N
Wrydsmyth, aren't we all children of indoctrination? From a Christians perspective, we have been indoctrinated by 'the world'. From ours, they have been indoctrinated by Christianity. What's the difference?

Wrong Wordsmyth, but I'll respond anyway. The difference can be illustrated in this way. Would you say someone is "indoctrinated" to not believe in something if it is revealed to be a hoax, or if they are shown that there is not enough evidence to believe in it? Are you "indoctrinated" to not believe in Santa Claus, leprechauns, ghosts, astrology, etc. or is it just that you don't see enough evidence for any of them? So, although many theists might claim we are all children of indoctrination, there are definitely some points of distinction, the main one being that the way "liberal professors" and so on "do their indoctrination" is to get you to read more, discuss things openly and -- gasp! -- think for yourself! So, the difference is between being told what to think, and being told to think.

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I don't think Whispers was taunting anyone. I think it was a genuine inquiry...how can we (athiests) find the wonder and awe in life without God?

I agree. I don't think Whispers was taunting anyone, either. Which is why I responded the way I did in my earlier post.

Bumble Bee Tuna · 08-05-2003, 11:18 AM

You can be rude without using harsh words. I find Whisper's OP to be far more condescending and rude than any of the replies that followed it. The sad part is that he doesn't even realize it. I didn't participate in any Whispers-bashing but I understand completely why someone would give him a harsh reply when his OP was such thoughtless drivel.

-B

Whispers · 08-05-2003, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bumble Bee Tuna
You can be rude without using harsh words. I find Whisper's OP to be far more condescending and rude than any of the replies that followed it. The sad part is that he doesn't even realize it. I didn't participate in any Whispers-bashing but I understand completely why someone would give him a harsh reply when his OP was such thoughtless drivel.

-B

Bumble Bee, please accept my sincere apology. I have no desire to offend or be rude to anyone. My opening post was meant to be challenging and thought provoking, without deliberate aim to insult. I promise.

I am not sure why you think my post was thoughtless drivel. It was entirely with thought, that the post was made. I hope to learn from all of you and want to learn from your experiences and insights into the world. The OP is intended to open up avenues that we can all explore in a space of honesty and mutual respect.

Would you care to discuss this with me?

Whispers · 08-05-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
Whispers, after looking at your profile, I have no idea what you mean when you say God. You express your religious beliefs "Buddhist/Christian/don't know?". Your view of God could thus range from atheism (which doesn't seem likely), to some form of pantheism (where as some Buddhists claim there is a bit of God in all of us, or in all things, or that we are all gods), to deism, and to the personified, external "saving" God of Christianity.

Without a definition of what "God" means to you, your claims in the OP are ambiguous. When you look at your child, do you see your child as a god, do you see your child as a bit of godness, or do you see the presence or influence of a separate, but personal, god?

I was a Buddist, I did not know, but now I do.....i just need to update my profile...

I see us all as children of God.

Biff the unclean · 08-05-2003, 12:25 PM

You can be rude without using harsh words. I find Whisper's OP to be far more condescending and rude than any of the replies that followed it. The sad part is that he doesn't even realize it.

Since moving to California I've come to realize that the words "Have a nice day" sometimes have the meaning "Go 'F' yourself." But never does the speaker not know that. I'm pretty sure that Whisper's is fully aware of what she (?) is doing.
Gee let me search out Internet Infidels (which is not easy to find as it's likely URL has been swiped) go to all the trouble of registering and write a lengthy piece telling the Skeptics how much better/nicer a person I am than they are---Nah, that didn't happen by accident.

Doctor X · 08-05-2003, 12:30 PM

When one looks into the eyes of a suffering and dying child, what does one see?

--J.D.

Whispers · 08-05-2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
You can be rude without using harsh words. I find Whisper's OP to be far more condescending and rude than any of the replies that followed it. The sad part is that he doesn't even realize it.

Since moving to California I've come to realize that the words "Have a nice day" sometimes have the meaning "Go 'F' yourself." But never does the speaker not know that. I'm pretty sure that Whisper's is fully aware of what she (?) is doing.
Gee let me search out Internet Infidels (which is not easy to find as it's likely URL has been swiped) go to all the trouble of registering and write a lengthy piece telling the Skeptics how much better/nicer a person I am than they are---Nah, that didn't happen by accident.

Please please listen to me,.........I am not here to inflame!!!!!! I am here to learn, same as most of you.

I did not say I am nicer than any of you, and I wouldnt because I believe with all my heart that we are children of God. I just was trying to get your views on the world, without a God belief.

Whispers · 08-05-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
When one looks into the eyes of a suffering and dying child, what does one see?

--J.D.

I can only guess...

Pain, suffering, fear and loss....but I also see salvation and utter peace ahead for the little person.

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08-05-2003, 10:54 AM	#31
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	*Who gives a sht about reality?!** As an example, the man who, in his fantasy, thinks he can fly and thus leaps off a building, only to be struck by the reality of the ground. I'm sure that, at some point before his unavoidable fate with the real ground, he realizes that his fantasy was wrong and in reality he can't fly.

08-05-2003, 10:57 AM	#32
Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	I see a thread destined for GRD.

08-05-2003, 11:18 AM	#34
Bumble Bee Tuna Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 7,333	You can be rude without using harsh words. I find Whisper's OP to be far more condescending and rude than any of the replies that followed it. The sad part is that he doesn't even realize it. I didn't participate in any Whispers-bashing but I understand completely why someone would give him a harsh reply when his OP was such thoughtless drivel. -B

08-05-2003, 12:25 PM	#37
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	You can be rude without using harsh words. I find Whisper's OP to be far more condescending and rude than any of the replies that followed it. The sad part is that he doesn't even realize it. Since moving to California I've come to realize that the words "Have a nice day" sometimes have the meaning "Go 'F' yourself." But never does the speaker not know that. I'm pretty sure that Whisper's is fully aware of what she (?) is doing. Gee let me search out Internet Infidels (which is not easy to find as it's likely URL has been swiped) go to all the trouble of registering and write a lengthy piece telling the Skeptics how much better/nicer a person I am than they are---Nah, that didn't happen by accident.

08-05-2003, 12:30 PM	#38
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	When one looks into the eyes of a suffering and dying child, what does one see? --J.D.

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