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One of the last sane · 07-13-2002, 06:28 PM

Me too, Zack.

WWSD · 07-13-2002, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by St. Robert:
Jesus was sent to earth to destroy the work of Satan (sin) and restore man to his true identity. When Christ returns, He will destroy Satan himself and the planet will be restored to it's former glory. No air or water pollution, no smog, no 'slash and burn' deforestation, no oil spills, etc. It will be an ecologist's paradise. The planet will actually never end.

So my question is, what is he waiting for? If he's on his way, why is he taking so long? All I hear is end of the world this and ends of the world that.

Why all the theatrics? Why not just do the damn job?

HEY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THE HOLD UP?

Let's do this thing! Let's go man, let's make hay while the sun's ashining!

Another question i have, why didn't God destroy satan in the first place. He is omniscient, he knows the destrruction and sin that were and will be caused by ol' scratch, why did he let him go?

God is not a very good planner, designer, or manager. But he seems to be damn good at being melodramatic.

braces_for_impact · 07-13-2002, 07:46 PM

The christians have thought the world was going to end any time now since christianity practically began. I'll say it once and I'll say it again. The thought of people honestly believing that an unkempt jew will come flying out of the clouds while night of the living dead xtian zombies rise to meet him in the sky, accompanied by angels with trumpets just boggles my mind. Nevertheless a good article on this concept is here:

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html</a>

hal9000 · 07-13-2002, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by St. Robert:
Although man will give a good go at destroying it, planet earth will not be destroyed. However, there will be an increase in human activity that will threaten to do major harm to life on this planet. The Bible actually teaches that Jesus will return to liberate the earth from total destruction and establish his kingdom in Jerusalem.

I agree with you. There is a lot of talk about a doomsday for the planet that will never happen. However, there will be a doomsday for Satan and all who chose to follow him.

And

Quote:

Originally posted by St. Robert:
Jesus was sent to earth to destroy the work of Satan (sin) and restore man to his true identity. When Christ returns, He will destroy Satan himself and the planet will be restored to it's former glory. No air or water pollution, no smog, no 'slash and burn' deforestation, no oil spills, etc. It will be an ecologist's paradise. The planet will actually never end.

Never let reality get in the way of a good fairy tale. Has anybody seen God or his Boy Chris lately? Wait, isn�t that them just around the corner arguing with the Holy Ghost? Nah, its just some loony having an argument with two of his other selves, never mind go on about your business.

St. Robert · 07-14-2002, 02:08 PM

By being patience, God is giving every man the opportunity to turn from their sin and repent. Here, Peter describes in more detail why God waits to pour out his judgement on the world.

"First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." - 2Peter 3:3-9

Part of God's love involves giving us the freedom to love Him in return or not. Are you thankful for Jesus dying on the cross for your sins or do you reject any of that as being true? According to Jesus, if you reject Him than you are accepting the penalty that comes with your sin.

[ July 14, 2002: Message edited by: St. Robert ]

[ July 14, 2002: Message edited by: St. Robert ]

One of the last sane · 07-14-2002, 02:43 PM

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the earth was formed out of water

No it wasn't.

Stephen T-B · 07-15-2002, 07:33 AM

It helps to know that they've been expecting the end of the world for a very long time. Remarks Jesus made - and I don't have chapter and verse - suggest he expected the world to end within the lifetime of his apostles. When it didn't, they just continued the tradition which we see to this day.
(Incidentally, End Timers are invariably Fundamentalist Creationists who in turn are invariably End Timers).

Ragnarok · 07-15-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by MzNeko:
Well, okay. But can I listen to a little ragnarock 'n' roll first?

I resemble that remark.

MzNeko · 07-15-2002, 08:25 AM

Ah, but what are you gehenna do about it?

WWSD · 07-15-2002, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by St. Robert:
By being patience, God is giving every man the opportunity to turn from their sin and repent. Here, Peter describes in more detail why God waits to pour out his judgement on the world.

Every man except, of course, those who have never heard of him.

"First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." - 2Peter 3:3-9

I'd like to see some evidence supporting some of the assertions this post makes. For example, prove that god created everything, and that there was a deluge.

Also, why does god have need of patience for me? If he is omniscient, he must know that I would stray from the flock. And if I die tommorow, still an atheist, he must have known the result before I was even born. So, I ask you again, what is he waiting for? He knows that outcome of everything already.

And, if the lord doesn't want anyone to perish, why doesn't he show up more often? Ahh yes, free will and all that.

I fail to see how god presenting irrefutable evidence of his existence to me has any effect on my free will whatsoever. I would be more than willing to beleive and worship (as for love, that's a little harder) this god if he were to show me, without a doubt, that he's actually up in the sky watching my every move.

Part of God's love involves giving us the freedom to love Him in return or not.

Yes, love me or burn eternally, love me or suffer more than the sum of all suffering that has ever existed. That makes no sense.

Are you thankful for Jesus dying on the cross for your sins or do you reject any of that as being true?

What do you think? I see no evidence supporting your stories. You must prove that these things are true before you can expect me to follow you.

Besides, do you beleive in Allah and his unity? Why not? Dd you realize that if Allah is the one true god, you will be burning in hell right beside me?

According to Jesus, if you reject Him than you are accepting the penalty that comes with your sin.

According to Allah (blessings upon him), if you reject Him than you are accepting the penalty that comes with your sin.

Have a nice day.

07-14-2002, 02:08 PM	#35
St. Robert Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 170	By being patience, God is giving every man the opportunity to turn from their sin and repent. Here, Peter describes in more detail why God waits to pour out his judgement on the world. "First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." - 2Peter 3:3-9 Part of God's love involves giving us the freedom to love Him in return or not. Are you thankful for Jesus dying on the cross for your sins or do you reject any of that as being true? According to Jesus, if you reject Him than you are accepting the penalty that comes with your sin. [ July 14, 2002: Message edited by: St. Robert ] [ July 14, 2002: Message edited by: St. Robert ]</p>

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07-13-2002, 06:28 PM	#31
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	Me too, Zack.

07-13-2002, 07:46 PM	#33
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	The christians have thought the world was going to end any time now since christianity practically began. I'll say it once and I'll say it again. The thought of people honestly believing that an unkempt jew will come flying out of the clouds while night of the living dead xtian zombies rise to meet him in the sky, accompanied by angels with trumpets just boggles my mind. Nevertheless a good article on this concept is here: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html</a>

07-15-2002, 07:33 AM	#37
Stephen T-B Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 5,878	It helps to know that they've been expecting the end of the world for a very long time. Remarks Jesus made - and I don't have chapter and verse - suggest he expected the world to end within the lifetime of his apostles. When it didn't, they just continued the tradition which we see to this day. (Incidentally, End Timers are invariably Fundamentalist Creationists who in turn are invariably End Timers).

07-15-2002, 08:25 AM	#39
MzNeko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Long Beach, California Posts: 1,127	Ah, but what are you gehenna do about it?

07-15-2002, 10:14 AM	#40
WWSD Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Albucrazy, New Mexico Posts: 1,425	Originally posted by St. Robert: By being patience, God is giving every man the opportunity to turn from their sin and repent. Here, Peter describes in more detail why God waits to pour out his judgement on the world. Every man except, of course, those who have never heard of him. "First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." - 2Peter 3:3-9 I'd like to see some evidence supporting some of the assertions this post makes. For example, prove that god created everything, and that there was a deluge. Also, why does god have need of patience for me? If he is omniscient, he must know that I would stray from the flock. And if I die tommorow, still an atheist, he must have known the result before I was even born. So, I ask you again, what is he waiting for? He knows that outcome of everything already. And, if the lord doesn't want anyone to perish, why doesn't he show up more often? Ahh yes, free will and all that. I fail to see how god presenting irrefutable evidence of his existence to me has any effect on my free will whatsoever. I would be more than willing to beleive and worship (as for love, that's a little harder) this god if he were to show me, without a doubt, that he's actually up in the sky watching my every move. Part of God's love involves giving us the freedom to love Him in return or not. Yes, love me or burn eternally, love me or suffer more than the sum of all suffering that has ever existed. That makes no sense. Are you thankful for Jesus dying on the cross for your sins or do you reject any of that as being true? What do you think? I see no evidence supporting your stories. You must prove that these things are true before you can expect me to follow you. Besides, do you beleive in Allah and his unity? Why not? Dd you realize that if Allah is the one true god, you will be burning in hell right beside me? According to Jesus, if you reject Him than you are accepting the penalty that comes with your sin. According to Allah (blessings upon him), if you reject Him than you are accepting the penalty that comes with your sin. Have a nice day.

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