Peter Edward Faulkner

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Philosoft

You have a gift for stating the obvious.

Enough sophistry. You just said above, "either you believe it or not" and now you're saying "either way, you're a believer." I'll try again to point out the silliness of your assertion. In my opinion, God = kphligh. Those two sets of words have exactly the same conceptual content. Namely, nothing. I believe in the non-existence of God inasmuch as I believe in the non-existence of kphligh.

<strong> And you don't.

Bill Snedden

Not necessarily.

"Jesus is not the son of God" and "I don't believe Jesus is the son of God" represent two different and distinct propositions.

Jesus is not the son of God is a negative proposition of fact (J ~ SG). In terms of belief, one who asserts this proposition is saying, in effect, "I believe that it is not the case that Jesus is the son of God."

I don't believe Jesus is the son of God is already a proposition of belief. In effect, one who asserts this proposition is saying, "It is not the case that I believe that Jesus is the son of God."

Formulated in this manner, as equivalent statements of belief, it is easy to see that both statements regard the same matter of fact "Jesus is the son of God" and that the negative qualifer "it is not the case" applies to the matter of fact in the first case and belief in the second case.

One who asserts, "Jesus is not the son of God" is therefore making a positive statement of non-belief while one who asserts "I don't believe that Jesus is the son of God" is withholding affirmation of a positive statement of belief.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

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galiel

Peter,

Only when I laugh.

Peter Edward Faulkner

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Peter Edward Faulkner

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zwi

People on this Board argue about whether God exists, and whose burden it is to prove it, or the contrary

Let me point out that no one has ever proved that Odin and/or Zeus do not exist

For some reason people do not get het up about this proof or disproof

Zwi

Jobar

Zwi, watch for Ojuice5001, our resident worshipper of the Roman pantheon. I think we have some followers of the Norse gods running around here, too.

As to Mr. Faulkner's question about the senses- why not theorize that there is a reality beyond what God can perceive? How could He prove there was not?

Bill Snedden

Certainly I have considered the possibility; it would be quite impossible for me to deny it. However, that which is insensible is, for all practical purposes, non-existent. If we cannot see it, hear it, taste it, smell it, or touch it, how can we know anything about it? If we can't know anything about it, why bother with it at all?

Regards,

Bill Snedden

hal9000

I like Odin the best, he had a kool outfit and those Norse women are goddesses.