Robinsin

My heart goes out to you folks. I did not become a Christian until I was 35. I wasn't raised a Christian at all - in fact the opposite. However, God did grace me with a friend whom taught me that the one unforgivable sin is to be sacreligious, and he explained it. I went through my teens and young adult life NEVER condoning another persons beliefs. Thank God for that!

I can tell you that I personally have a full understanding that there is in fact a God; the God! Jesus Christ was the Son of God, lived and died on the cross for our sins and now remains our only way to enter Heaven and eternal life.

I am not a preacher, and in fact not a great example of a Christian man either - but this I do know, without a doubt of disbelief in my heart and soul; there is a God and He loves you!

All you need to do to find God is ask him into your heart. Say a small silent prayer - ask God to reveal himself to you and He will - I promise! You have your doubts and rightfully so; but the process is very simple. Pray right now, close your eyes and take a few seconds....

......"God if you are there, please help me and guide me. Show me that you exist by coming into my life. I pray Lord, in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ. Amen"

We cannot be saved by our good works......
........ I'm a good person, or I do this or that. We are all sinners and no one can enter the Kingdom of God by their good works! So, you see, Christians aren't perfect, nobody can be by design. We are all sinners against God and no one can be perfect, it is impossible!
You can only be saved by grace of God - His love for us is so great that he gave His only Son for our grace.

I'm now saying a prayer for you....... "Dear God, I pray that the reader of this message will take on an understanding of you oh Lord, Please show yourself to the readers, allow them to understand your existence and Love - in the name of Jesus, Amen"

God Bless You!

doodad

I don't think an atheist concerns himself with not being saved. If a person doesn't believe a God exists what has he to fear from this figment of your imagination?

By the way there's more to being a Christian than being saved, and if that's the only reason you have joined up it's a little self-centered of you. The flip side of being a Christian is to serve each others' needs, and I've never seen am atheist say he doesn't have concern for his fellow men.

Oxymoron

Hi Robinsin,

you are most welcome here at II.

By your own admission you're not exactly speaking from a position of authority then, are you?

So why should we believe a word that you say?

xeren

Thanks but I didn't sneeze.

K

Robinsin:

You promised! I did exactly what you said and ... NOTHING. God didn't reveal Himself or even give the slightest hint that He exists. I guess your promise isn't very good and that gives me reason to doubt the rest of your post.

Magus55

1) It has to be sincere - which by your attitude towards the notion of it leads one to believe its a mocking statement and not sincere.

2) God doesn't work on your time. You don't tell God what to do - if you are sincere in seeking him - he will make himself known to you in HIS time, not yours.

K

Magus55:

How convenient. God only shows Himself to those who believe and only on His terms. He works just like Allah, Vishnu, astrology, and every other crackpot belief ever held. A god powerful enough to reveal himself to those who don't believe and aren't sincely seeking him is the only god that could possibly be worth following. Otherwise, there's no way to tell the difference between an actual god and the millions of supernatural fairy tales out there.

xeren

So, what you're saying is:

Haven't heard back from him? You must not be sincere.

AmericanHeretic

Hi Robinson,

You seem very upbeat and full of your faith, that's good. I am glad you're happy.

If you want an atheist to believe your God is real, you must supply some evidence. You appealed to subjective experience and "promised" that there would indeed be a potent subjective experience in result of prayer. There was no such experience for K.

How then do you expect to be believed? (1)

Magus55 said this did not occur for K because:

Let's suppose you are correct. If God ignored K today for insincerity, and when K dies he or she will go to Hell eternally for mocking and disbelief. If your God loves K, then why would God not give K a sign that He is there and thereby save K's soul?

Does God love K? (2)

Let us suppose you are correct here as well. If God refuses to act immediately, but is omnipotent, and could do so with ultimate ease and literally no effort because He is infinitely powerful, then why does He refuse to give K a sign? God, being omniscient, knows full well that K does not believe in Him. God could repair that situation instantly and chooses not to.

Does God even care about K? (3)

Why is it that not one Christian offers evidence in support of the existence of God? I was quite sincere when I was a Christian, as per Magus55's requirement for sincerity. I prayed often, studied the Bible, spoke to Jesus daily and all of it was sincere as could possibly be. And yet, the lack of objective evidence (*) wore down my ability to believe. Even my own subjective experience with God did not prove to me that He exists. So even if your promise, Robinson, was experienced by K, in the end, without actual objective evidence, the case for God is dead.

I prove that merely by being an atheist.

Why did God allow that? (4)

(* note: there were also other issues)

(typo repaired)

diana

When you assume the EoG and offer no evidence, it isn't argument for the EoG...it's witnessing.

Not even good witnessing, either. I hope you didn't waste time typing that out. You could have cut and pasted it from any of a billion websites with minimal effort.

Go directly to ~Elsewhere~. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Here...let me help you...

d