hezekiah jones

It sure is.

I am aware of one: It isn't a problem. It's only a problem for those that see an arbitrary need to twist empirical evidence to suit literal interpretations of ancient mythology (the substance of my original question).

Notice that, in this case, it is the creationists that must say, "We don't know that," not the legitimate scientific commmunity, which "knows" that these objects are in fact hundreds of millions of light years away, and in the meantime has moved well beyond this rather trivial observation.

Naturally. However in this case, as I said above, it's the creationists that "don't know that," and they really have no reason not to "know that," save for clinging arbitrarily to a literal interpretation of ancient creation myths.

This is what I was suggesting about your original statement concerning evidence. Creationists necessarily (and needlessly) create two different standards of evidence, and thereby a pointless and ultimately tedious struggle between the two.

AspenMama

Well, I believe that Mr. Finch has been sufficiently welcomed here in this forum, however, as this seems like an excellent discussion, I will move it to Miscellaneous Religion.

RufusAtticus

Come to the evo/cre forum, <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=58" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=58</a> and start a thread requesting such.

Also visit, <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org" target="_blank">www.talkorigins.org</a> there is a lot of stuff for you to read.

-RvFvS

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David Bowden

Disbelief is, as you seem to allow here, a reasonable option - more reasonable than belief, as we infidels look at it.

We include, in addition to the common, everyday armchair philosopher, some legal, academic, and scientific professionals willing to sharpen their iron against yours - not to mention a number of former ministers, most from theologically conservative churches. After much reflection, we (I'm one of the former ministers) accepted that the 'strong evidence' put forward by apologetics was in fact not compelling enough to justify belief any longer, and to maintain integrity, we had to leave the Christian religion.

It will be a priority of ours to show you why we are convinced of this. Hopefully in the process, you can demolish some stereotypes for us. We welcome and encourage your contributions here.

-Wanderer

MOJO-JOJO

No, according to acceptable christian doctrine, it's heretical and outright blasphemy.

Which is why I find it all BS!

The Naked Mage

&lt;tracks down Atticus_Finch and sprays him with warm beer&gt;

sighhswolf

Dont forget to visit us in the basement, during your stay here.
The basement is where they keep me locked up.
They figure I cant do much damage down there,
you know with all the slobbering, and cursing,
and serious mental impairment.

Once in a while they let me out, but they are always watching me.....everywhere I go....always watching...I know they are there, they cant fool me....
Wolf <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

minnie_kitty

Welcome and Merry Meet....... So how do you feel about witches????


This may be an interesting venture.


"they bade me welcome and in i went
to drink thier wine to my heart's content.
I danced and laughed with gents fair.
Ne'er in my life had i such cheer;
Grasses in the wind are waving."
Merry Meet and Merry Part again.

Minnie_kitty

lpetrich

What's implied here is "The God of the Gaps", and I'm not impressed.

For all we know, the early Earth could have been seeded with some microbes by some extraterrestrial visitors who had traveled from the future.

Imagine some spacefarers trying to guarantee that they will exist by filling vials with microbes and dropping them onto desolate planets in the far past.