Kevbo

And, miraculously, it arranged everything to look like the world had existed for 4.5 billion years with no flood. God be Praised!

Mageth

Where do you think all the water went? (hint: its still on Earth)

Oh, I thought perhaps God drank it. Killing millions of people and all the animals is thirsty work.

Um, your kidding right? 75% of the world is covered by water, and some parts of the oceans are deeper than Everest is high. This is quite a sufficient amount of water to cover all dry land, and then some.

@71%, to be more accurate. And what about all those holes left where the oceans were? Are you suggesting all the ocean water sloshed up onto the continents, stayed there for a year, and then ran back down into the ocean basins?

If you stick to the assumption that the ocean floor has always been as deep as it currently is.

It has been for more than the 4000 or so years you need to account for the flood. A lot more. Millions if not billions of years more.

The Bible says God created boundaries to hold the flood waters. What do I see? Lakes, seas, oceans - all holding water.

And what do we see if we look back into the geologic record millions and even billions of years into the past? Evidence of lakes, seas and oceans, all holding water, and of continents occupying approximately the same percentage of the earth's surface as they do today.

Maybe not possible by natural means, but if a global flood happened, God caused it - in which case its very possible for such an event to occur.

If you allow magic, then anything's possible. Unfortunately for your argument, though, there's no evidence that such a magical flood occurred, as there's no evidence that any other magical event ever occured, and no evidence of a God to do any such magic tricks.

Albion

It turned into people and animals. You know, populations have increased hugely since the time of Noah, and people and animals consist mostly of water. That's where it all went. If there weren't any people, there wouldn't be any land, it'd all be under water. Well-known fact.

NonHomogenized

*gasp*! You're right! It's us ugly bags of mostly water that's allowing there to be dry land.

hmmm... think we can sucker some gullibleationists into adopting that? I mean, if they believe all that yec ...stuff... then they surely don't have the critical thinking skills to notice the glaring flaw in this idea.

keyser_soze

[evil hand rubbing imp at work]attempting it now....[/evil hand rubbing imp at work].

We'll see how it works in a few days.

Joe Meert

JM: Exactly the point I tried to make http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/id.htm

Cheers

Joe Meert

Vicar Philip

Wouldn't it have been easier if god had simply erased all the evil humans and left all the other life intact? I mean, if he's going to the trouble of magically creating this purported flood, why not just get to the root of the problem?

Actually, wouldn't it have been even easier to just create humans incapable of evil in the first place? I'm thinking this god fellow must not plan ahead very well.

Magus55

Where is the lesson in just erasing the people? The purpose of the flood was for judgement of the world. The flood destroyed the world. And don't give me the sappy excuse of it wasn't fair, and how cruel of God. God gave the people over 100 years of warning before the flood, and they ignored it. And the exact scenario is playing itself out again as we speak. God gave us a 2000+ year warning of His final judgement on the Earth and what do so many people do? Ignore it, and say it will never happen.

Could God have created humans incapable of evil in the first place? Yup He could have, but He would have to throw out free will in the process. Without the possibility of doing that which God forbids, how would it be possible to choose to obey Him freely? If free will didn't exist, disobeyal is impossible - in which case you are obeying God because its the only thing you can do, not because you want to.

RufusAtticus

I know; it could have been much deeper causing even more problems for you.

Really? I see no mention of basins on the earth, where does the Bible say what you have claimed?

Genesis 8:1-3 (NRSV)

• But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and all the domestic animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind blow over the earth, and the waters subsided; the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained, and the waters gradually receded from the earth. At the end of one hundred fifty days the waters had abated;

GunnerJ

RE: Free will and all that canard: Vicar has not brought up the subject of the problem of evil. So, debating it is next to worthless. Also, off topic. As much as I'd WUV ^_^ to rip a gaping hole in the FWD yet again, I must ask that you (read: everyone) keep the discussion on topic for the E&C fourm.

-GunnerJ, E&C Mod