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Sauron · 08-19-2002, 05:04 PM

Who?

Why Dr. Carl Baugh, of course. Now he has his own eponymous website:

<a href="http://www.drcarlbaugh.org/" target="_blank">http://www.drcarlbaugh.org/</a>

And his dissertation appears there.

He's also got a scan of his 'diploma', that alleges the state of Missouri has accredited the
"Pacific College of Graduate Studies" in Poplar Bluffs, MO and Melbourne, Australia.

Comments, anyone?

ksagnostic · 08-19-2002, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Sauron:
<strong>Who?

Why Dr. Carl Baugh, of course. Now he has his own eponymous website:

<a href="http://www.drcarlbaugh.org/" target="_blank">http://www.drcarlbaugh.org/</a>

And his dissertation appears there.

He's also got a scan of his 'diploma', that alleges the state of Missouri has accredited the
"Pacific College of Graduate Studies" in Poplar Bluffs, MO and Melbourne, Australia.

Comments, anyone?

</strong>

Pacific College of Graduate Studies in Poplar Bluff, MO .

Need anything more really be said?

(Glad my parents moved from Poplar Bluff, MO to Manhattan, KS when I was two)

RufusAtticus · 08-19-2002, 05:20 PM

Its my understanding that Pacific College was closed down for being a diploma mill among other things.

Valentine Pontifex · 08-19-2002, 05:28 PM

The accreditation he gives for a school in Missouri is from Australia and not for the time he was there. This really sounds like a stretch.

Kevin Dorner · 08-19-2002, 05:28 PM

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html</a>

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Baugh is a Baptist minister who claims to be an archeologist with a Ph.D. from the California Graduate School of Theology in Los Angeles. This school is unaccredited by the Western Assocation of Schools and Colleges, the primary body responsible for college and university accreditation in the region. It is also unaccredited by the state of California, although it is listed as "approved".

Baugh has also claimed Ph.D. degrees in education and anthropology from the Pacific College of Graduate Studies in Melbourne, Australia and the College of Advanced Education in Irving, Texas. According to Glen Kuban, who has thoroughly researched Baugh's Paluxy "man-track" claims and his credentials, neither Pacific College nor the College of Advanced Education is accredited or authorized by any regional or national body to grant degrees [4]. Pacific College is a small religious school run by Australian creationist Clifford Wilson, a close associate of Baugh's. The College of Advanced Education is a division of the International Baptist College, of which Baugh himself is president.

gravitybow · 08-19-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus:
<strong>Its my understanding that Pacific College was closed down for being a diploma mill among other things.</strong>

Closed down? Au contraire, my good Rufus. Here is the site for <a href="http://paciu.edu/" target="_blank">Pacific International University</a>.

If you read <a href="http://paciu.edu/profile/history.htm" target="_blank">the University's history</a>, you'll see that Pacific College and Pacific University are the same. (Kuban also mentions that on his site). Pay close attention to the history and read between the lines: Pacific never ever claims accreditation, but it sure as hell tries to borrow everyone else's credibility.

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Thus Pacific College of Graduate Studies had many students graduate with Bachelors, Masters, and Doctoral degrees.

An awkward way of saying, "they didn't graduate from here."

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These and other pointers led to a formal successful approach to the Secretary of State of Missouri, asking for the right to be registered in that State.

Being registered is not being accredited.

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Under the new name of Pacific International University it was confirmed in February, 1997 that all the degrees elaborated in this catalog are covered by the legal requirements of the State.

Legal requirements of the state? What is that? One thing it isn't: accreditation.

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Our graduate students have been given full transfer of credits by a number of accredited bodies, but such acceptance depends on the willingness of each institution to admit students from a conservative body such as PIU.

translation: Our students went on to accredited institutions that were willing to accept our crappy coursework!

As if that wasn't enough, here is the blurb on the <a href="http://paciu.edu/profile/accredit.htm" target="_blank">accreditations page</a>.

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There are a number of Accrediting Bodies in the United States. Even those that have been endorsed by the U.S. Office of Education are not necessarily accepted by all other Institutions. Ultimately it is most desirable that potential students should be satisfied that the qualifications they will receive from Pacific International University will be acceptable to the College or employer they have in mind.
Our own conviction is that the standard of our courses and the quality of our graduates (many of whom are now in world-wide Christian leadership) are at least as important as any form of "accreditation".

translation: We don't need no stinkin' 'creditashun. Our gradiots gots jobs, don't they? quicherbichin'.

Viti · 08-19-2002, 07:59 PM

Trying to legitimize their school is good practice for the mental gymnastics involved in Xian apologetics apparently.

gravitybow · 08-19-2002, 08:23 PM

I guess so, LadyShea. Guys like Baugh have fake degrees from paper schools in a science that doesn't exist, all to the glory of a mythical being. How any Christian excuses the gymnastics, the lack of integrity, and loss of honesty is beyond me.

Camaban · 08-19-2002, 10:21 PM

you'd have thought that God would have blessed his spokesmen with the intelligence, diligence, and honesty to get legitimate degrees in relevant fields, wouldn't you?

Camaban · 08-19-2002, 10:27 PM

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This work is dedicated to Robert Summers, Glen Rose citizen, world-class artist and sculptor, and scholar in his own right. Bob verifies that he saw human footprints among dinosaur footprints in the limestone layers around Glen Rose, Texas from the time he was a child. He has never wavered from that testimony of truth.

LOL.

(and, scholar in what?)

08-19-2002, 05:04 PM	#1
Sauron Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In the dark places of the world Posts: 8,093	He's a Doctor - a Doctor of SCIENCE ! Who? Why Dr. Carl Baugh, of course. Now he has his own eponymous website: <a href="http://www.drcarlbaugh.org/" target="_blank">http://www.drcarlbaugh.org/</a> And his dissertation appears there. He's also got a scan of his 'diploma', that alleges the state of Missouri has accredited the "Pacific College of Graduate Studies" in Poplar Bluffs, MO and Melbourne, Australia. Comments, anyone?

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08-19-2002, 05:20 PM	#3
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Its my understanding that Pacific College was closed down for being a diploma mill among other things.

08-19-2002, 05:28 PM	#4
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	The accreditation he gives for a school in Missouri is from Australia and not for the time he was there. This really sounds like a stretch.

08-19-2002, 07:59 PM	#7
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Trying to legitimize their school is good practice for the mental gymnastics involved in Xian apologetics apparently.

08-19-2002, 08:23 PM	#8
gravitybow Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Washington, NC Posts: 1,696	I guess so, LadyShea. Guys like Baugh have fake degrees from paper schools in a science that doesn't exist, all to the glory of a mythical being. How any Christian excuses the gymnastics, the lack of integrity, and loss of honesty is beyond me.

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Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	you'd have thought that God would have blessed his spokesmen with the intelligence, diligence, and honesty to get legitimate degrees in relevant fields, wouldn't you?

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