lpetrich

A new item at <a href="http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/" target="_blank">No Answers in Genesis</a> is a reference to <a href="http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/ron.html" target="_blank">Ron Rayborne's attempt to take Kent Hovind's challenge</a>.

RR offered to accept this challenge, proposing that polar bears are descended with modification from bears that prefer warmer climates.

Kent Hovind's response:

"You need to read the offer. What you show here is just a variety of bear. I will send this to the committee if you wish but I feel they will just laugh. KH"

RR pointed out that one creationist had argued that polar bears are a separate created kind, but to no avail. KH simply repeated his view that all bears belong to a single created kind, giving no further explanation.

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Camaban

Eventually, I predict that it will go from "it's still just of the bear kind" to "it's still just of the mammal kind" to "It's still just of the animal kind" to "It's still just of the living kind"

Grumpy

Does he mean the six species in the subfamily Ursinae are of the "bear kind," or is he referring to <a href="http://www.beartrust.org/wildbear.html" target="_blank">all bears (Ursidae)</a>? That would include South American spectacled bears and giant pandas. Is the small red panda a bear, too?

Perhaps so. Bears are classed in the superfamily Canoidea, which means dogs must be of the "bear kind," too. So are raccoons, weasels, seals, and walruses -- all just varieties of bear, you understand. But there is a distinct boundary between the Canoidea and their fellow <a href="http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/chordata/mammalia/carnivora.html" target="_blank">carnivores</a>, the Feloidea. I firmly draw the line between bears and cats, hyenas, mongooses, and binturongs.

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RufusAtticus

Hovind is a slippery bastard? I never would have guessed....

I'm shocked. No really. See my face ( ) . I am really shocked.

~~RvFvS~~
Okay, so it's not that shocking.

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Buffman

Just a quick question. Are all "kinds" of bears reproductively compatible?

MortalWombat

I hope they are all in cages while you are drawing that line, otherwise we won't be able to see the line, what with all the blood everywhere.

tgamble

Yes, but such classification is invented by evilutionists so they can claim macroevolution and continue their persecution of Christians.