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hezekiah jones · 05-07-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Badfish
Are you a preterist?

Are you kidding? He's the posterboy for pretermen

Badfish · 05-07-2003, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Originally posted by Badfish
Are you a preterist?

Are you kidding? He's the posterboy for pretermen

Oh I see, well that is a scary belief IMO.

Even scarier than fundamental (read:'basic and without added tradition or manmade heritage") Christianity, huh?

Darth Dane · 05-08-2003, 01:51 AM

I thought we decided we were done with that penis anus thing.

Badfish Uhhh Darth, we are not in heaven now. Are you a preterist?

Two things:

1) what is a preterist?
2) How would you interpret the quote form Jesus: "The kingdom of heaven is spread upon earth but people do not see it"?

Badfish There won't be any death or suffering Darth, this is a terrible thing to believe that this is heaven.

Since the bible seems to imply that all sorrow and suffering is done away with, I don't think we can be kicked out of heaven,

Why is it terrible to believe this is heaven? Note: I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS HEAVEN!!!!!

I can change my attitude towards suffering death, I will not judge it to be either good or bad, because I don't know absolutely what is good or bad, how should I know? Because a book said so?

I really don't see where we will have the will to rebel or do anything to cause us to get kicked out.

"ask and you shall be given" Maybe we asked for it?

Oh I see, well that is a scary belief IMO.

Even scarier than fundamental (read:'basic and without added tradition or manmade heritage") Christianity, huh?

Oh, but I am not a christian in a normal sense, I am me

My belief is that I know I nothing know, and that the methodology to understand is the yin/yang-Tao concept, although I of course don't KNOW if that is teh methodology to use, but it usually brings me far.

Am I still a preterist? whatever it is?

DD - Love Spliff

Badfish · 05-08-2003, 02:10 AM

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Am I still a preterist? whatever it is?

Well I don't know, a preterist believes the bible, but also believes end times prophesy has already been fulfilled.

I am unsure of your source of belief, so I can't really comment.

Darth Dane · 05-08-2003, 02:14 AM

I know I nothing know.

Now you come up to me and ask: "is there a heaven? Was Jesus teh son of God?" and so on and so forth.

I then look in the texts you provide for me that are relevant. And then I analyse.

The only apparent interpretation of this saying: "The kingdom of heaven is spread upon earth but people do not see it", as I see it, is the literal interpretation, because I haven't seen Jesus, I haven't seen angels with wings, I don't know if Jesus was divine or just a lunatic, a book can't really tell me this. I would have to BELIEVE that the book is true, namely the truth of Jesus' Divine heritage. I don't KNOW if teh book is true, but may believe so.

Is it more clear now?

DD - Love Spliff

Darth Dane · 05-08-2003, 02:20 AM

Well I don't know, a preterist believes the bible, but also believes end times prophesy has already been fulfilled.

Well if teh end times prophesy is fullfilled, should we be here discussing it? Of course I don't know how teh end of times will play out.

I am unsure of your source of belief, so I can't really comment.

My "source" is the "IS-ness". I don't know what is, but if you come to me and say: "Jesus was, he said this and this, he was the son of God", then I adopt the is-ness of that, and then start to analyse me through it, if it doesn't make sense I discard.

Thats usually why we reach contradictions, OT God = Jealous, wrathfull, NT God = Love and forgiveness.

It should be like this:

OT God = NT God

Right? It IS teh same God according to some right?

Wrathfull = Forgiveness, it doesn't compute really...does it?

Of course unless we take into account the methodology of teh yin/yang, and keeping taht fullfilled

DD - Love Spliff

Darth Dane · 05-08-2003, 03:21 AM

Badfish:

How would interpret the mentioned saying of Jesus?
I am quite keen on knowing other possible interpretations.

DD - Love Spliff

Darth Dane · 05-09-2003, 02:05 AM

What, did my esteemed co-discussers leave?

Why no replies?

I still have some un-answered questions!

DD - Love Spliff

Deathray 6 · 05-09-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish

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"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne. Then books were opened, and another book was opened�the book of life. So the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to their deeds." [Revelations 20:12]

These are the dead that never heard the gospel, rejected it, or never heard it to God's or the person's satisfaction. IMO.

Umm. So does that mean an atheist (or other non-xian) can get into heaven if they are a good person?

hezekiah jones · 05-09-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Darth Dane
I still have some un-answered questions!

Which?

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05-07-2003, 05:05 PM	#81
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Badfish Are you a preterist? Are you kidding? He's the posterboy for pretermen

05-08-2003, 01:51 AM	#83
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	I thought we decided we were done with that penis anus thing. Badfish Uhhh Darth, we are not in heaven now. Are you a preterist? Two things: 1) what is a preterist? 2) How would you interpret the quote form Jesus: "The kingdom of heaven is spread upon earth but people do not see it"? Badfish There won't be any death or suffering Darth, this is a terrible thing to believe that this is heaven. Since the bible seems to imply that all sorrow and suffering is done away with, I don't think we can be kicked out of heaven, Why is it terrible to believe this is heaven? Note: I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS HEAVEN!!!!! I can change my attitude towards suffering death, I will not judge it to be either good or bad, because I don't know absolutely what is good or bad, how should I know? Because a book said so? I really don't see where we will have the will to rebel or do anything to cause us to get kicked out. "ask and you shall be given" Maybe we asked for it? Oh I see, well that is a scary belief IMO. Even scarier than fundamental (read:'basic and without added tradition or manmade heritage") Christianity, huh? Oh, but I am not a christian in a normal sense, I am me My belief is that I know I nothing know, and that the methodology to understand is the yin/yang-Tao concept, although I of course don't KNOW if that is teh methodology to use, but it usually brings me far. Am I still a preterist? whatever it is? DD - Love Spliff

05-08-2003, 02:14 AM	#85
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	I know I nothing know. Now you come up to me and ask: "is there a heaven? Was Jesus teh son of God?" and so on and so forth. I then look in the texts you provide for me that are relevant. And then I analyse. The only apparent interpretation of this saying: "The kingdom of heaven is spread upon earth but people do not see it", as I see it, is the literal interpretation, because I haven't seen Jesus, I haven't seen angels with wings, I don't know if Jesus was divine or just a lunatic, a book can't really tell me this. I would have to BELIEVE that the book is true, namely the truth of Jesus' Divine heritage. I don't KNOW if teh book is true, but may believe so. Is it more clear now? DD - Love Spliff

05-08-2003, 02:20 AM	#86
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Well I don't know, a preterist believes the bible, but also believes end times prophesy has already been fulfilled. Well if teh end times prophesy is fullfilled, should we be here discussing it? Of course I don't know how teh end of times will play out. I am unsure of your source of belief, so I can't really comment. My "source" is the "IS-ness". I don't know what is, but if you come to me and say: "Jesus was, he said this and this, he was the son of God", then I adopt the is-ness of that, and then start to analyse me through it, if it doesn't make sense I discard. Thats usually why we reach contradictions, OT God = Jealous, wrathfull, NT God = Love and forgiveness. It should be like this: OT God = NT God Right? It IS teh same God according to some right? Wrathfull = Forgiveness, it doesn't compute really...does it? Of course unless we take into account the methodology of teh yin/yang, and keeping taht fullfilled DD - Love Spliff

05-08-2003, 03:21 AM	#87
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Badfish: How would interpret the mentioned saying of Jesus? I am quite keen on knowing other possible interpretations. DD - Love Spliff

05-09-2003, 02:05 AM	#88
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	What, did my esteemed co-discussers leave? Why no replies? I still have some un-answered questions! DD - Love Spliff

05-09-2003, 02:04 PM	#90
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Darth Dane I still have some un-answered questions! Which?

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