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Half-Life · 06-14-2002, 10:26 PM

What do you think of this ancient relic? Is it real or a fake? I was just watching Unsolved Mysteries and they had a segment on the shroud. They had a forensic anthropologist explain the shroud. She said ti could be made using a special kind of bursh and paints and she made it herself and it matched the replica. but, I still don't get how the bloodstains got on the shoroud. Because, I read somewhere that scientists tested the blood and they found it was real blood. I stil have no idea what to think of the shroud. But, I'm leaning more towards fake. What about you guys?

Sephiroth · 06-14-2002, 10:30 PM

It's fake, fake, fake. Even carbon-dating testing showed it was made in the Middle Ages.

Non-praying Mantis · 06-15-2002, 05:28 AM

Oh Great! Not another Shroud of Turin thread!

Leonarde? Where are you?

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

NPM

Tercel · 06-15-2002, 08:02 PM

Some reading for you:
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000148&p=" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000148&p=</a>

And if you still want more:
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000441&p=" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000441&p=</a>

fando · 06-15-2002, 08:52 PM

It's actually someone's jizz rag. Eww.

Goliath · 06-15-2002, 09:36 PM

The shroud may be real, or it may be fake. However, the shroud is completely irrelevant in that it in no way, shape, or form proves the existence of any supernatural entity.

Sincerely,

Goliath

beoba · 06-15-2002, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fando:
<strong>It's actually someone's jizz rag. Eww.</strong>

Baidarka · 06-16-2002, 05:17 AM

The shroud is an obvious forgery.
If it was real it would have wrapped around the body and head and it would not give us a simple front view of a face but it would display all sides of the body creating what I would call the Alfred E Newman effect.
The Image would be disturbing and strange but it would have had at least a semblance of credibility.
We would see both ears, face and the back of the head in a single image.
Cubism hadn't been invented yet so the forger from the Middle ages could only create a rather conventional front and back view but could not give us the kind of image that would have been created by a bloody body wrapped in a shroud.

missus_gumby · 06-16-2002, 05:50 AM

The Vatican pronounced the shroud to be a 14th century pious fraud decades ago. Why anyone would want to think it evidence of anything other than that, I cannot fathom.

leonarde · 06-16-2002, 11:48 AM

Let me just say that the links recommended by
Tercel say it all: not just about authenticity but
about the level of knowledge here at II: a profound thinker by the name of Koy let us know
the true lowdown on the INFAMOUS S of Turin.

06-14-2002, 10:26 PM	#1
Half-Life Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place in the Northern Hemisphere of Planet Earth Posts: 1,250	Shroud of Turin? What do you think of this ancient relic? Is it real or a fake? I was just watching Unsolved Mysteries and they had a segment on the shroud. They had a forensic anthropologist explain the shroud. She said ti could be made using a special kind of bursh and paints and she made it herself and it matched the replica. but, I still don't get how the bloodstains got on the shoroud. Because, I read somewhere that scientists tested the blood and they found it was real blood. I stil have no idea what to think of the shroud. But, I'm leaning more towards fake. What about you guys?

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06-14-2002, 10:30 PM	#2
Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 625	It's fake, fake, fake. Even carbon-dating testing showed it was made in the Middle Ages.

06-15-2002, 05:28 AM	#3
Non-praying Mantis Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Roanoke, VA, USA Posts: 2,646	Oh Great! Not another Shroud of Turin thread! Leonarde? Where are you? <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> NPM

06-15-2002, 08:02 PM	#4
Tercel Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,315	Some reading for you: <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000148&p=" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000148&p=</a> And if you still want more: <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000441&p=" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000441&p=</a>

06-15-2002, 08:52 PM	#5
fando Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Los Angeles Area Posts: 1,372	It's actually someone's jizz rag. Eww.

06-15-2002, 09:36 PM	#6
Goliath Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fargo, ND, USA Posts: 1,849	The shroud may be real, or it may be fake. However, the shroud is completely irrelevant in that it in no way, shape, or form proves the existence of any supernatural entity. Sincerely, Goliath

06-16-2002, 05:17 AM	#8
Baidarka Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 590	The shroud is an obvious forgery. If it was real it would have wrapped around the body and head and it would not give us a simple front view of a face but it would display all sides of the body creating what I would call the Alfred E Newman effect. The Image would be disturbing and strange but it would have had at least a semblance of credibility. We would see both ears, face and the back of the head in a single image. Cubism hadn't been invented yet so the forger from the Middle ages could only create a rather conventional front and back view but could not give us the kind of image that would have been created by a bloody body wrapped in a shroud.

06-16-2002, 05:50 AM	#9
missus_gumby Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	The Vatican pronounced the shroud to be a 14th century pious fraud decades ago. Why anyone would want to think it evidence of anything other than that, I cannot fathom.

06-16-2002, 11:48 AM	#10
leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	Let me just say that the links recommended by Tercel say it all: not just about authenticity but about the level of knowledge here at II: a profound thinker by the name of Koy let us know the true lowdown on the INFAMOUS S of Turin.

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