Waning Moon Conrad

Hello Christians,

Somewhere in the word of God which is absolutely and literally true and we'll all burn for eternity if we don't believe it......is a bit about how Christians can drink poison and live if they have faith.

Great. So which of you will actually drink a nice strong potion of potassium cyanide?

Don't be so feeble and pathetic as to squirm out of it by saying that this is the one and only bit in the entire bible that is allegorical. You all say that the bible is literally true.

FINE! Then you can drink potassium cyanide with diet coke and live! Literally!

If you really and truly believe your Bible, believe in your God, believe in Jesus and are serious about converting us hellbound fool Buddhists and Atheists and whatevers, then you will be willing to drink deadly poison.

If you're not willing to drink deadly poison....

(and I absolutely guarantee you that if you can drink potassium cyanide and survive, then I WILL CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY)

.........then shut the fuck up about Jesus and hellfire and all the crap because it's obvious that deep down you don't believe your own bullshit!

Regards, Sincerely,

Matt

Hey W.M.C.,

How about these guys? Seems the only problem that they have is with the "surviving" part of your challenge.

<a href="http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Snakes.html" target="_blank">Religious Snake Handlers</a>

brighid

Oh, but the excuse would be he or she didn't believe ENOUGH!

Brighid

Matt

Seems that god can be quite fickle about saving the faithful.


From:

<a href="http://augustachronicle.com/headlines/062996/062996serpent.html" target="_blank">Taking up serpents </a>

-DM-

The Prove the Bible Game
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OBJECT OF GAME:
The object of the game is to give one or more Bible-believers the opportunity to prove the truth of the Bible to one or more nonbelieving, heathens in an exciting, convincing demonstration of faith in action!

EQUIPMENT NEEDED:
1) One Bible, almost any version will do.
2) One or more Bible-believers.
3) One or more nonbelievers.
4) One rattlesnake or other DEADLY serpent; (optional).
5) A quantity of poison sufficient for at least 8 oz. per believer; (any DEADLY variety will do).

PROCEDURE:
1) Players are first divided into two "flocks" as follows:
a) "Sheep" (believers).
b) "Goats" (nonbelievers).
2) After prayerful consideration, sheep choose one of their flock as a "prophet" (spokesperson).
3) The prophet opens the veritable "Word of God" and, in his most solemn, Sunday-best voice, reads the following verses:
a) The words of the Apostle Paul (1Thess 5:21) "Prove everything; keep what is good."
b) The words of the Lord Jesus "Christ" (Mark 16:17-18) "And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will expel demons; they will speak in NEW tongues; they will pick up serpents; and if they drink any DEADLY thing, it will not hurt them."
4) Beginning with the prophet, each of the sheep, in turn, expels a demon or two (if available).
5) Beginning with the prophet, each of the sheep, in turn, speaks in a NEW tongue.
6) Beginning with the prophet, each of the sheep, in turn, handles the rattlesnake (or serpent).
7) +++THIS IS THE CRUCIAL TEST+++ Beginning with the prophet, each of the sheep, in turn, drinks an 8 oz. glass of the poison!
8) After sufficient time has elapsed so that the snake venom (if applicable) and the poison would normally have had time to take their full effect, sheep let the goats know how wonderful they feel and, how good the Lord is! GOATS WILL BE TRULY AMAZED AND HUMBLED!
9) Sheep pass out "Spiritual Laws" or "Steps to God" tracts, lead goats in "The Sinner's Prayer," and invite them to church next Sunday.

© 1982 Crusade Publications
Donald Morgan (sole proprietor)

Sephiroth

Well, W.M.C. asked for people to get bit and survive, not get bit and die . Those dudes deserve some Darwin Awards though.

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Scrutinizer

Waning Moon Conrad,

Yay, a fellow Melbournian!

But, uh, Conrad, your argument only applies to Christians who insist on taking a literalistic interpretation of the entire Bible -- I don't know anyone who takes that position. So, I can only really shrug my shoulders at your argument/challenge.



Regards,

- Scrutinizer

Mad Kally

Good gawd! Come visit Southern California and see the freak show! The place is swarming with xians who take every word of the bible to be the literal Truth. Home of <a href="http://www.tbn.org" target="_blank"> Trinity Broadcasting Network! </a> (TBN)

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-DM-

So, assuming you interpret in a nonliteral fashion, do you believe that Jesus did or did not say these things?

If you believe that he did say these things, do you believe that he did or did not mean what he allegedly said?

And if you believe that he did say these things, and if you interpret these nonliterally, please explain your interpretation.

Thanks.

--Don--

Pantera

Of course, the reference to drinking poison comes from Mark 16:18, which nobody except the most deranged KJV-only fanatic thinks was in the original version of Mark. So even a pure Bible literalist could fairly say that Jesus probably never said such a thing.

A better example would be something like Luke 17:6 "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree 'be uprooted and planted in the sea' and it will obey you." There's a similar one about moving mountains as well which I can't find right now. These sayings are pretty unambiguous, and would be rather more impressive miracles than drinking poison anyway. Would anyone with even just a little faith (a mustard seed's worth) care to try them out?