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Deinonychus · 04-23-2003, 09:38 PM

Any thoughts on these guys?

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Bryan College, June 26-28, 1997. The Center for Origins Research and Education at Bryan College hosted the very first meeting of the Baraminology Study Group. In attendance were Todd Wood, Ashley Robinson, David Cavanaugh, Dave Fouts, Kurt Wise, and Neal Doran. This meeting saw the formulation of the plans for Baraminology'99.

Also mentioned are Pete Williams and Paul Nelson.

I know Paul Nelson got his doctorate in philosophy of biology from the University of Chicago, Kurt Wise got his Ph.D. in paleontology at Harvard (under Stephen J. Gould!), and Neal Doran is a doctoral candidate in paleontology at Florida State, across campus from Michael Ruse, author of Taking Darwin Seriously: A Naturalistic Approach to Philosophy , but what about the others? Does anyone know who these guys are?

hezekiah jones · 04-24-2003, 06:55 AM

Where have you been? These are some of the leading baraminologists working in the field today.

Todd Wood has a bachelor's degree in biology from Jerry Falwell.

David Cavanaugh has a bachelor's degree in chemistry from some outfit in Michigan.

Dave Fouts is the author of "A Review of Two Recent Articles on Large Numbers in the Old Testament."

Ashley Robinson has been credited with creating the "Hybridatabase," so I guess he's some computer guy or whatever.

Pete Williams "became involved to varying degrees."

pangloss · 04-24-2003, 07:12 AM

I once had an interesting online chat with Robinson.

It was shortly after I had read one of his "baraminology" papers in CRSQ.

The article said that the datasets used by the authors could be obtained by emailing them.

I emailed Robinson (daro@aol.com), and I never got a reply.

I had an AOL account at the time, and I put him in my buddy list. One day while I was online, his icon popped up, so I IMed him.

At first, he played stupid - denied knowing what I was talking about. Then I mentioned his papers in CRSQ, and how they claimed that the datasets could be obtained. Then he hemmed and hawed, and finally said - shockingly - that he didn't even know if the datasets were "around anymore".

Guess they didn't want the unwashed to find all the flaws in their fraudulent "analyses"...

And he is one of their 'best'?

GunnerJ · 04-24-2003, 08:50 AM

What is this "baraminology?"

RufusAtticus · 04-24-2003, 10:47 AM

A fancy name to make it seem like immutable, specially created "kinds" are a viable scientific classification.

Albion · 04-25-2003, 12:05 AM

Except that the criteria for classifying things into baramins are headed by their adherence to scripture, which overrides anything scientific. That doesn't do a lot for the scientific credibility of baraminolgy. Not, of course, that that makes the slightest difference to homeschoolers who are using it instead of real science. Sometimes I have my doubts about the virtues of freedom of speech, if it leads to this rubbish being passed off as science.

lpetrich · 04-25-2003, 02:03 AM

Here is one of the crowning achievements of baraminology -- differing opinions from creationists on when the ape fossils end and the human ones begin.

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04-24-2003, 06:55 AM	#2
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Where have you been? These are some of the leading baraminologists working in the field today. Todd Wood has a bachelor's degree in biology from Jerry Falwell. David Cavanaugh has a bachelor's degree in chemistry from some outfit in Michigan. Dave Fouts is the author of "A Review of Two Recent Articles on Large Numbers in the Old Testament." Ashley Robinson has been credited with creating the "Hybridatabase," so I guess he's some computer guy or whatever. Pete Williams "became involved to varying degrees."

04-24-2003, 07:12 AM	#3
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	I once had an interesting online chat with Robinson. It was shortly after I had read one of his "baraminology" papers in CRSQ. The article said that the datasets used by the authors could be obtained by emailing them. I emailed Robinson (daro@aol.com), and I never got a reply. I had an AOL account at the time, and I put him in my buddy list. One day while I was online, his icon popped up, so I IMed him. At first, he played stupid - denied knowing what I was talking about. Then I mentioned his papers in CRSQ, and how they claimed that the datasets could be obtained. Then he hemmed and hawed, and finally said - shockingly - that he didn't even know if the datasets were "around anymore". Guess they didn't want the unwashed to find all the flaws in their fraudulent "analyses"... And he is one of their 'best'?

04-24-2003, 08:50 AM	#4
GunnerJ Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a place where i can list whatever location i want Posts: 4,871	What is this "baraminology?"

04-24-2003, 10:47 AM	#5
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	A fancy name to make it seem like immutable, specially created "kinds" are a viable scientific classification.

04-25-2003, 12:05 AM	#6
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Except that the criteria for classifying things into baramins are headed by their adherence to scripture, which overrides anything scientific. That doesn't do a lot for the scientific credibility of baraminolgy. Not, of course, that that makes the slightest difference to homeschoolers who are using it instead of real science. Sometimes I have my doubts about the virtues of freedom of speech, if it leads to this rubbish being passed off as science.

04-25-2003, 02:03 AM	#7
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Here is one of the crowning achievements of baraminology -- differing opinions from creationists on when the ape fossils end and the human ones begin.

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