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Queen of Swords · 03-18-2003, 03:15 PM

Reposting for Magus :

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Is god going to give me knees for that one moment when he forces me to bow?

I predict that before the cock crows, thou shalt ignore me three times!

Magus55 · 03-18-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by QueenofSwords
Reposting for Magus :

I predict that before the cock crows, thou shalt ignore me three times!

Why do you care if i respond to you? If you stopped acting like an arse, i might not be so reluctant. Yes you will most likely get knees when you are judged before God. What difference does make? He can make you float and fall before him. Thats hardly the point.

Queen of Swords · 03-18-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
Why do you care if i respond to you? If you stopped acting like an arse, i might not be so reluctant.

Wow, such Christian love and tolerance! Bring out a few more insults, Magus, maybe even worse ones - it really shows us all the Godlike side of you!

Yes you will most likely get knees when you are judged before God.

So let me get this straight.

At the time of the judgement, God resurrects the bodies of everyone who has ever died. He then provides the people without legs - who either lost them in accidents or were born without them - with legs so that they can kneel before him?

What if those people were born without arms or other body parts? Are those not so important because they are not used for kneeling? In other words, does god reconstitute the body entirely or only to the extent of kneeling?

What difference does make?

The difference does make is that I want legs and arms, that's the difference does make. Why should I worship your god if I might not get arms?

He can make you float and fall before him. Thats hardly the point.

Oh, but that is the point. We are establishing how far your god will go in order to force people, even those legless, to kneel before him.

Magus55 · 03-18-2003, 03:42 PM

Well i'm normally not mean, but im sick of attitudes of people here who basically think im psychotic because i believe in something.

Well believers will be ressurected with completely new, perfect bodies. People who were cremated and spread over the sea will be given restored bodies. What God does to the people that will go to the Lake of Fire? Haven't a clue, he may just judge your soul and leave your body in the ground, in which case you don't really need knees to humble yourself before him.

Queen of Swords · 03-18-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
Well i'm normally not mean,

You just like calling people "arse"?

but im sick of attitudes of people here who basically think im psychotic because i believe in something.

And the correct, Christian response is to call me an arse? I understand. Please, go ahead and use some more insults - I'm sure that will help you to deal with the attitudes of people here in a very Christlike way.

Well believers will be ressurected with completely new, perfect bodies. People who were cremated and spread over the sea will be given restored bodies.

Can I have some biblical justification for this or is it from the Little Golden Book of Cremation?

What God does to the people that will go to the Lake of Fire? Haven't a clue, he may just judge your soul and leave your body in the ground, in which case you don't really need knees to humble yourself before him.

But you said everyone will have to kneel before him. So, does the soul kneel? Does the soul have legs?

Sr. Zonules · 03-18-2003, 04:05 PM

Personally, I think it is fair and reasonable to judge someone based upon their beliefs, as so far as you know more than just what they are (this person kills people for fun vs. this person is Catholic).

If I believe that I can be abducted by aliens to a galaxy far, far away just by eating 3,756,357 oranges (and everyone in town knows about my beliefs), I should be viewed as the town crazy-man. Likewise, I view (viewed actually, they all committed suicide) the Heaven's Gate cult as complete and utter wackos. And quite fairly, too. I shouldn't view ALL *fill in the blank* (Lutherans, for example) as being *some good/bad thing* (e.g. terrible dressers), based on the fact that everyone in my parent's (Lutheran) church dresses poorly. And I don't.

I try (and others, do too) to not make any GENERALISATIONS, but when some specific individual I'll call "Magus55" comes along, and writes HUNDEREDS of posts, each testifying his blinding faith, I DO view that person as dumb, dangerous, and a waste of my time. However, if that person were to change, and live their life rationally and honestly (with a free-thinking mentality), and showed that they changed in such a way, they would become one of my friends.

Queen of Swords · 03-18-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Sr. Zonules
blinding faith

I like this term.

Sr. Zonules · 03-18-2003, 04:51 PM

i like that term, too, it's one of my favourites, and it works on so many levels.

wade-w · 03-18-2003, 05:17 PM

Please consider this a final warning. If everyone doesn't calm down, I will close this thread.

lpetrich · 03-18-2003, 06:31 PM

Magus55:
People quote from other historical books all the time, Bible is historically accurate.

The way that the Iliad and the Odyssey are?

Heinrich Schliemann caused a big sensation when he found the ruins of a city at where the Iliad had described Troy as being.

Also, the Odyssey refers to the Laestrygonians, who live in a rocky land with good inland harbor -- a land with continuous daylight.

This is just like the coastline of northern Scandinavia, with its fjords and summer midnight sun.

Prove Louis the XIV existed.

After you prove that the deities of Mt. Olympus do not exist.

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03-18-2003, 03:36 PM	#63
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 Why do you care if i respond to you? If you stopped acting like an arse, i might not be so reluctant. Wow, such Christian love and tolerance! Bring out a few more insults, Magus, maybe even worse ones - it really shows us all the Godlike side of you! Yes you will most likely get knees when you are judged before God. So let me get this straight. At the time of the judgement, God resurrects the bodies of everyone who has ever died. He then provides the people without legs - who either lost them in accidents or were born without them - with legs so that they can kneel before him? What if those people were born without arms or other body parts? Are those not so important because they are not used for kneeling? In other words, does god reconstitute the body entirely or only to the extent of kneeling? What difference does make? The difference does make is that I want legs and arms, that's the difference does make. Why should I worship your god if I might not get arms? He can make you float and fall before him. Thats hardly the point. Oh, but that is the point. We are establishing how far your god will go in order to force people, even those legless, to kneel before him.

03-18-2003, 03:42 PM	#64
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	Well i'm normally not mean, but im sick of attitudes of people here who basically think im psychotic because i believe in something. Well believers will be ressurected with completely new, perfect bodies. People who were cremated and spread over the sea will be given restored bodies. What God does to the people that will go to the Lake of Fire? Haven't a clue, he may just judge your soul and leave your body in the ground, in which case you don't really need knees to humble yourself before him.

03-18-2003, 03:50 PM	#65
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 Well i'm normally not mean, You just like calling people "arse"? but im sick of attitudes of people here who basically think im psychotic because i believe in something. And the correct, Christian response is to call me an arse? I understand. Please, go ahead and use some more insults - I'm sure that will help you to deal with the attitudes of people here in a very Christlike way. Well believers will be ressurected with completely new, perfect bodies. People who were cremated and spread over the sea will be given restored bodies. Can I have some biblical justification for this or is it from the Little Golden Book of Cremation? What God does to the people that will go to the Lake of Fire? Haven't a clue, he may just judge your soul and leave your body in the ground, in which case you don't really need knees to humble yourself before him. But you said everyone will have to kneel before him. So, does the soul kneel? Does the soul have legs?

03-18-2003, 04:05 PM	#66
Sr. Zonules Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N 47� 11� 14�, W 122� 10� 08� Posts: 82	Personally, I think it is fair and reasonable to judge someone based upon their beliefs, as so far as you know more than just what they are (this person kills people for fun vs. this person is Catholic). If I believe that I can be abducted by aliens to a galaxy far, far away just by eating 3,756,357 oranges (and everyone in town knows about my beliefs), I should be viewed as the town crazy-man. Likewise, I view (viewed actually, they all committed suicide) the Heaven's Gate cult as complete and utter wackos. And quite fairly, too. I shouldn't view ALL fill in the blank (Lutherans, for example) as being some good/bad thing (e.g. terrible dressers), based on the fact that everyone in my parent's (Lutheran) church dresses poorly. And I don't. I try (and others, do too) to not make any GENERALISATIONS, but when some specific individual I'll call "Magus55" comes along, and writes HUNDEREDS of posts, each testifying his blinding faith, I DO view that person as dumb, dangerous, and a waste of my time. However, if that person were to change, and live their life rationally and honestly (with a free-thinking mentality), and showed that they changed in such a way, they would become one of my friends.

03-18-2003, 04:49 PM	#67
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Sr. Zonules blinding faith I like this term.

03-18-2003, 04:51 PM	#68
Sr. Zonules Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N 47� 11� 14�, W 122� 10� 08� Posts: 82	i like that term, too, it's one of my favourites, and it works on so many levels.

03-18-2003, 05:17 PM	#69
wade-w Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Silver City, New Mexico Posts: 1,872	Please consider this a final warning. If everyone doesn't calm down, I will close this thread.

03-18-2003, 06:31 PM	#70
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Magus55: People quote from other historical books all the time, Bible is historically accurate. The way that the Iliad and the Odyssey are? Heinrich Schliemann caused a big sensation when he found the ruins of a city at where the Iliad had described Troy as being. Also, the Odyssey refers to the Laestrygonians, who live in a rocky land with good inland harbor -- a land with continuous daylight. This is just like the coastline of northern Scandinavia, with its fjords and summer midnight sun. Prove Louis the XIV existed. After you prove that the deities of Mt. Olympus do not exist.

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