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Darth Dane · 05-15-2003, 06:46 PM

You could've fooled me, in fact you did. I was of the impression that you were asserting that humans with superpowers exists.

I am saying that they may exist. I am asserting that the possibility of superhumans to existing exists, it's a possibility

But that was because of your implication, so it's not my problem.

Uh, come again!

DD - Love Spliff

Jet Grind · 05-16-2003, 06:40 AM

Darth Dane,

You are starting to frustrate me.

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Uh, come again!

Here's what I mean.

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If a bee is not supposed to be flying but still does, why can't a human who is not supposed to fly, do it anyways through the power of the mind?

I know this is a cheapshot, but "with great power comes great responsibility" What would happen worldwide if someone came up and did it? Would teh world be at peace? or at war?

War could come because some would say it is from the devil, some say it will be prophet, some will claim that this is due to thier belief and conviction.

Peace could come, as people finally got a proof of Miracles

Well I personally have seen the aura of other humans, only the color green, but hey I can't*** give you my eyes and experience except through words. I don't know if itIs the aura, or if it is a glitch in my brain. But as long as noone can definately say what it is, how can I know one solution over the other? What final grounds am I to base my knowledge or should I say Belief since we don't know either way YET?

I don't know, someone might? given time and such.

That's what I mean by your implication.

Darth Dane · 05-16-2003, 06:49 AM

Yes, some of those statements are based on the If Superhumans, then....

I'm in a situation that doesn't say If aura's, then...
For me it says, Aura's or the equivalence of aura's as explained by Yogi's, is Real because I have experienced the "aura".

So for me it is not, "if aura's", but when we talk about flying humans it is a "if..."

The theory that yogi's have, supports my experience with aura's, if this part of the theory is correct, the rest may be true as well, I need to do the work as the yogi's claim I need to do.

But!, since I cannot show the experinece I've had with aura's. how can I absolutely say if it is a hallucination in my mind or a glitch in my brain. I act as if though aura's are real, because I have seen them.

DD - Love Spliff

Sarpedon · 05-16-2003, 01:13 PM

Darth Dane, I note with some dismay that you have not responded to any of my statements. Do you think me undeserving of a response?

Darth Dane · 05-16-2003, 04:04 PM

Darth Dane, I note with some dismay that you have not responded to any of my statements. Do you think me undeserving of a response?

I have missed it, I'm afraid. Of course you are not undeserving, please don't feel dismay it was only the folly of my mind.

Darth Dane, what are you asserting? Are you claiming that a bumblebee flies using the power of its mind?

By what other means would it do it?

"MATTHEW 17:20 NKJ
20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, `Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you

Would it be by faith? Could we equate a mustard seed to the bumblebee?

There is no mystery as to what causes things to move: force. (physical force, not THE FORCE)So far as we know, there is no mystery to the mind. It is a series of chemical and electrical signals playing over a network of neurons.

Afaik, humnas have yet to discover where conciousness is. If it is physical or not, correct me if I am wrong, but they don't know this.
This leaves a huge mystery.

It is easier to believe that the physicists miscalculated the forces involved, or left some factor out of their equation, than it is to believe that there is some mysterious and undetectable force acting on the bee.

You would think that the scientists would have figured that out by now. It still leaves a huge mystery.

Maybe, just maybe, it is the same mystery?

Oh well, how to find out?

DD - Love Spliff

Jet Grind · 05-17-2003, 05:50 PM

Darth Dane,

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Afaik, humnas have yet to discover where conciousness is. If it is physical or not, correct me if I am wrong, but they don't know this.
This leaves a huge mystery.

This is a grotesque overstatment. True, we don't know exactly how conciousness works, but it's a pretty solid fact that it's brain based without some dissembodied spirit behind it. We've got a visual part here, and a memory part here. We know that different neural firing patterns correpond to different actions/thoughts. Whenever someone does acid, their conciousness is altered. Identical twins grow up with many common traits. It all seems to add up. If you want to read more, pick up a copy of Steven Pinker's book "The Blank Slate".

Sarpedon · 05-18-2003, 04:20 PM

Or Blackmore's "The Meme Machine" where it is posited that there is no such thing as "conciousness."

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05-15-2003, 06:46 PM	#21
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	You could've fooled me, in fact you did. I was of the impression that you were asserting that humans with superpowers exists. I am saying that they may exist. I am asserting that the possibility of superhumans to existing exists, it's a possibility But that was because of your implication, so it's not my problem. Uh, come again! DD - Love Spliff

05-16-2003, 06:49 AM	#23
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Yes, some of those statements are based on the If Superhumans, then.... I'm in a situation that doesn't say If aura's, then... For me it says, Aura's or the equivalence of aura's as explained by Yogi's, is Real because I have experienced the "aura". So for me it is not, "if aura's", but when we talk about flying humans it is a "if..." The theory that yogi's have, supports my experience with aura's, if this part of the theory is correct, the rest may be true as well, I need to do the work as the yogi's claim I need to do. But!, since I cannot show the experinece I've had with aura's. how can I absolutely say if it is a hallucination in my mind or a glitch in my brain. I act as if though aura's are real, because I have seen them. DD - Love Spliff

05-16-2003, 01:13 PM	#24
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	Darth Dane, I note with some dismay that you have not responded to any of my statements. Do you think me undeserving of a response?

05-16-2003, 04:04 PM	#25
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Darth Dane, I note with some dismay that you have not responded to any of my statements. Do you think me undeserving of a response? I have missed it, I'm afraid. Of course you are not undeserving, please don't feel dismay it was only the folly of my mind. Darth Dane, what are you asserting? Are you claiming that a bumblebee flies using the power of its mind? By what other means would it do it? "MATTHEW 17:20 NKJ 20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, `Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you Would it be by faith? Could we equate a mustard seed to the bumblebee? There is no mystery as to what causes things to move: force. (physical force, not THE FORCE)So far as we know, there is no mystery to the mind. It is a series of chemical and electrical signals playing over a network of neurons. Afaik, humnas have yet to discover where conciousness is. If it is physical or not, correct me if I am wrong, but they don't know this. This leaves a huge mystery. It is easier to believe that the physicists miscalculated the forces involved, or left some factor out of their equation, than it is to believe that there is some mysterious and undetectable force acting on the bee. You would think that the scientists would have figured that out by now. It still leaves a huge mystery. Maybe, just maybe, it is the same mystery? Oh well, how to find out? DD - Love Spliff

05-18-2003, 04:20 PM	#27
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	Or Blackmore's "The Meme Machine" where it is posited that there is no such thing as "conciousness."

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