AJ113

If any theistic belief was genuine, wouldn't that fact be obvious to all here present?

Doesn't the fact that rational, reasonable and intelligent human beings such as those who reside within these pages, and who are prepared to fairly apraise all available evidence, still remain non-theistic?

Surely the "truth" would have been blindingly clear by now? Surely no genuine god would allow its presence and its requirements to be something that was actually open to debate? Especially if people's eternal future was at stake?

Apart from the fact that this argument could be deemed to be mildly fallacious, I hereby declare all theistic beliefs void.

All comments welcome.

Thank you.

SecularFuture

"Without complete knowledge of the physical universe, I don’t think it would be logical to label anything as being “impossible”, nor are we in the position to deem something as having a supernatural origin or nature either. Without complete knowledge of the natural universe, we are not qualified to label something as being of a supernatural origin or nature." ---- ME

Theism is irrational and primitive. Without evidence or reason backing your beliefs, all you have is religious faith, a blind acceptance of unfounded concepts.
:boohoo:

beastmaster

It's called the Argument from Non-belief and, no, it's not fallacious, at least as applied to certain conceptions of god.

AJ113

Well, actually I thought I may have trouble trying to refute argumentum ad populum, but I allowed myself that indiscretion as it was my OP!

Aradia

I consider it quite fallacious, but I still agree with you.

Seraphim

by AJ113

Surely the "truth" would have been blindingly clear by now? Surely no genuine god would allow its presence and its requirements to be something that was actually open to debate? Especially if people's eternal future was at stake?

You looking at it from one side only.
Ever consider that God allowed such forum to exist because by talking about it, you could have an insight which you couldn't have before?

There is always two side of the same story ... does looking at one side of it alone supposed to show you the "true" story?

The Other Michael

Of course, any hypothetical god might have you run over by a bus before you can have that insight, and so you'd end up a loser anyway.

cheers,
Michael

Seraphim

by The Other Michael

Of course, any hypothetical god might have you run over by a bus before you can have that insight, and so you'd end up a loser anyway.

Maybe ... maybe not.

Then again, if the vehicle you're on broken down half way and never made it's destination at the end of it's journey, who do you blame?

The vehicle?
The driver or yourself?
The road you were on?
The destination at the end of your journey?

wildernesse

Many people here acknowledge that theists have genuine beliefs. I genuinely believe that there is a supernatural. It is obvious to most people I know.

Of course, there are always those who say that deep down in our hearts, we know we're believing a lie. To that I say, deep down you know that I am the queen of this world and the next, and it is only your fearful and rebellious minds that show me disrespect.



Why?

And I hereby declare all genuine gold to be made of tin. Tin is now illegal to own, please take to your local "queen of this world and next" recycling center.

Thanks!
--tibac

AJ113

There may be two sides to a story, but the side you describe here is the same side as the one I have already posted.

My point is that if there is a god(s) around, it should at least have the power to make every person fully aware of its presence, and of exactly what its requirements are.

But this is not the case. There are millions of people who have used their brains to deduce that there is no evidence to support the existence of any such god(s). This is distinctly different to being fully aware that a god(s) exists, and making the choice not to follow it.

This forum is packed to the rafters with individuals who have come to the conclusion I have just described. They are all "failures" for any god, because the god(s) has not made it's presence known to them.

And your suggestion that the existence of such a forum as this could be because it is a tool for a god to make its presence known to people is clearly incorrect, because no-one (or very few) has taken note of any presence of any god.