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Old 11-08-2002, 05:36 PM   #21
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Perhaps an enlightened person would feel no need to claim anything, but if you asked they might say "sure". What then?</strong>
If they do, I will ask him to define enlightenment and explain the origin of mantras.

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IMO, faith comes into play in Buddhism with the belief that Buddha actually became fully awake. If I don't believe that anyone can become enlightened, why should I practice Buddhism?
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"If I don't believe that anyone can become enlightened, why should I practice Buddhism? "

My reply : The answer is - You shouldn't practice it since you don't believe you will not be enlightened. Afterall, why waste time on something that doesn't suits you?
 
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So you are saying there is no benefit to practicing Buddhism without belief in enlightenment? Isn't the experiential more important than beliefs in Buddhism?
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"So you are saying there is no benefit to practicing Buddhism without belief in enlightenment? Isn't the experiential more important than beliefs in Buddhism? "

My reply : Why bother driving if you don't wish to go anywhere?

If YOU don't think you will achieve enlightment, why are you practising Buddhism in the first place? Might as well drop Buddhism and just live your life as you always have without bothering about anything such as Enlightment.
 
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Do we become enlightened by trying to go somewhere?

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<strong>If YOU don't think you will achieve enlightment, why are you practising Buddhism in the first place? Might as well drop Buddhism and just live your life as you always have without bothering about anything such as Enlightment.</strong>
Well, I guess I'm answering my own question from two posts ago. Buddhism isn't just about enlightenment but also about reducing/understanding suffering. If nothing else, the philosophy might be worth keeping or incorporating with some other belief or philosophy.
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If they do, I will ask him to define enlightenment and explain the origin of mantras.
Okay. Suppose, then, that he refused, having no interest in convincing anyone: would you conclude that he isn't enlightened at all?
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Old 11-09-2002, 02:38 AM   #28
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Okay. Suppose, then, that he refused, having no interest in convincing anyone: would you conclude that he isn't enlightened at all?</strong>
Actually what I do next will depends highly on his attitude and reaction which something that is hard to tell or visualize here. But generally speaking, I will eat a banana and throw the skin in front of him.
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Well, I guess I'm answering my own question from two posts ago. Buddhism isn't just about enlightenment but also about reducing/understanding suffering. If nothing else, the philosophy might be worth keeping or incorporating with some other belief or philosophy.</strong>
No one can gain enlightenment without a proper understanding of suffering, its origins and the means to end them.
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Actually what I do next will depends highly on his attitude and reaction which something that is hard to tell or visualize here. But generally speaking, I will eat a banana and throw the skin in front of him.</strong>
Ah! So i need to keep my eyes peeled for banana skins...
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