Amos

Well it's easy to call me a prick but I am glad that you realize that it takes courage to tell relevant authotities about sexual abuse. Let's just conclude that child molesters are cowards and that cowardice runs in the family.

The point I was trying to make is that we are not free agents who created our own person. We are a product of the previous generation and to solve this problem it just will not be good enough to protect children and lock up sexual deviants. In my view it would be better to look at the origen of the problem which is a direct result of our modern gender equal society wherein courage is sacrificed to gain equality. If this was not true the courageous would not need to be encouraged.

Proxima Centauri

Amos, sex abuse of children, boys and girls, has been going on in your wonderful Roman Catholic Church for centuries.
Today things have inproved. The Rest of society and Voice of the Faithful arn't as intimidated as they were. The Rest of society and Voice of the Faithful are prepared to stand up to the priestly paedophiles and the priestly pimps.
Your wonderful Roman Catholic Church likes male dominated societies. In such societies girls and adult women are more easily abused and sexually harassed than in western society. In male doninated societies girls and adult women can less easily stand up to abusers and stop them.
Is that the type of society you value, Amos? Is that the type of society you want to return to, Amos?

Amos

That would be better than importing them would it not? It seems to me that we, modern psychological neutered gender equals don't seem be able to multiply and rather than see our population decline we resort to importing people from male dominant societies. I think England has the same problem and was it not you who was complaining about all of the Mosques being built in England these days? If not, just take a good look around and see for yourself.

If I remember correctly the rest of your post was mostly protestant theology.

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Demigawd

Amos, you go from calling the molested children either cowards or promiscuous, to excusing the molesters because of the drive for gender equality in Western civilization, and now end up with a rant of them-damned foreigners.

You sir are sick. Seek some help.

Proxima Centauri

IRRELEVANT RACIST NONSENCE.

Amos

I am just telling you that locking them up will not be good enough because it does not adress the origen of the problem. I am a foreigner myself and should be the last one to object to foreigners and the first one to see the reason that casued the need for foreigners.

Amos

Only a racist can see racism where it is not.

Debbie T

It is not the children's fault, period. Anyone that believes it was the responsibility of the child's, is part of the problem not the solution. There were families that addressed this problem to the church. If the Catholic Church would have taken steps and gone to the police when the first child came forward to them it might have saved a lot of other children from being victimized. Instead the church hushed it up to protect the church (not the children) and moved these pedophiles around giving them the opportunity to molest more children.

Why didn't the church go to the police and why do you think the church is not responsible? This isn't the first time this has happened in the past. The church didn't learn then. Hopefully the church will have to take responsibility now. Plus laws will change to make the church leaders responsible when this happens again.

Denial is a funny thing Amos which you appear to be swimming in. It doesn't solve the problem it perpetuates it. Until you and others like you realize this, or society makes laws to protect others especially the children from your religion the problem will continue.

The actions of the church clearly show who they look out for and nothing in the reports of this mess shows concern for the innocent children. The bottom line is it is NOT the children's fault. I hope that many Catholics get a wake up call and leave the church. It is definately not a safe place especially not safe for children.

So you can either stay in denial and help perpetuate the problem and ignore the elephant in the church or open your eyes and start being a part of the solution and help protect other innocents from this evil.

jess

ok, just one point:

a child molester does not always or often need physical gratification. Castration would not stop him.

It's the thrill, not the orgasm.

There is one rampant in my in-laws'. The excuse for why he has not been 'turned in' is 'he's too old now'. Not for a fuggin finger, the bastard.

Polar Bear

Oh give me a break. Anti-Catholicism has long been the almost exclusive provenance of PROTESTANTS, not atheists. We have no cockeyed conspiracy theories about the Pope secretly ruling the world, nor do we think that Catholics are secretly devil worshippers, nor do we hold any of the other cockamamie beliefs that historically go alongside anti-Catholic bigotry.

The simple fact is -- forgive the cliche -- you can't handle the truth. This scandal has blown the so-called infallibility doctrine right out of the water. It shows that your church (don't feel bad, probably all churches are this way) is far more interested in holding onto its worldly power and influence than adhering to its own rules of moral conduct.

Tell me -- what punishment does the Church prescribe for child molesters? Does the Church support lay prosecution of child rapists? If an altar boy had been raped by a non-Catholic -- say, a Southern Baptist -- what punishments would the Church and its believers support? And why are your sick, corrupt priests exempt from such punishments?

Hey, before you answer, let's try to save everyone some time. Skip the evasions and just answer the questions directly. I've put the questions in boldface so that you may recognize them and provide direct answers. If your answer is "I don't know," that's OK as long as you admit it up front.