KweschunThEAnserz

Well if thats not enough to give, I'd like some input on better ways God could have shown mankind his love other than dying as Man. Just a brainstorm.

StrongMan

All I ask is for him to tell me. Just show up, face to face, and say "JC, I love you." That's all it would take. No miracles, no dying for my sins, no big productions. Just a simple gesture by an all loving being. Why is that too much to ask?

HelenM

<Christian hat off>
How about a rethink of eternal torment? *sigh*

It seems odd to me that James wrote 'mercy triumphs over judgement' yet, evidently not unless you acquiese to God's demands?

love
Helen
</Christian hat off>

Mageth

Well if thats not enough to give, I'd like some input on better ways God could have shown mankind his love other than dying as Man. Just a brainstorm.

For starters, he could have created us where we wouldn't have to go through all this "original sin/guilt/sacrifice/believe and repent or suffer eternally" crap. He's the one who created it this way, so if it's screwed up it's his problem. Why should I be born in sin and condemnation and face hell because god screwed up? IMO, 48 hours of death doesn't even begin to pay for the amount of suffering the world has seen and that god is ultimately resonsible for in the time it took for me to type this post (and I'm a fast typer).

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KweschunThEAnserz

posted by HelenSL
I don't know if thats a sacrifice that God would make. More like something he would do to make US feel better about something we may not fully understand.

I'll read the verse when I get home but isn't he referring to all of us being guilty of sin=death yet his mercy overrides it?

DId I do the quotes correctly? If not tell me how

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Kweschun_the_Anserz:
<strong>Well if thats not enough to give, I'd like some input on better ways God could have shown mankind his love other than dying as Man. Just a brainstorm.</strong>

He could show his love by saving the millions of children who die each year in developing countries.

He could show his love by not automatically condemning people who follow the religion that their parents taught them and which (to them) may make more sense than christianity.

And finally, he could have shown his love by remaining on the earth as a man, healing the sick and helping the downtrodden. Dying is (relatively) easy, especially since it catapulted him into a position of power and glory. Living is much harder.

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kwigibo

well, those other guys who got hung on crosses and went the distance might have something to say about sacrifice. Anyway, death in this story is no sacrifice, what exactly did he sacrifice, definitely not his life because for all intents and purposes, he didn't die! If anything he chickened out of this struggle we call life to become the unsuffering ghost he is now, apparently. It doesn't matter how much death symbolises a sacrifice for us, as humans, it means nothing to this character.

Nickolaus

Something tells me I'd really hate to play a board game with god.

"Oh damn, it says here that all sin must result in death. Hey wait, it doesn't say *whose* death! Let's just create someone, kill him, and call it even?"

Nobody likes a rules lawyer.

Mageth

My theory is that god doesn't give a rat's ass about us; Jesus really died to save countless millions of goats and fatted calves from the sacrificial knife.

-DM-

My theories are similar.

Regarding "God", my theory is that either:
1.) "He" doesn't exist, or
2.) "He" is asleep at the switch, or
3.) "He" doesn't give a damn about us.

Regarding Jesus, my theory is that:
1.) Much of what he is alleged to have said and done he did not, and
2.) He got himself into a bit of trouble with the Roman authorities (who probably thought him an insurrectionist) who then crucified him.

--Don--