The Admiral

I have a vivid personal memory of hearing about the bodies of the aliens from the Roswell site being carted off to some Army Airforce base and put in cold storage or frozen or whatever. Due to the circumstances under which I first heard the tale I can place it in 1952 or 53 at the latest. But as of now I have no documentation of it. No books or newspaper articles. I will be looking for such but if any of you can shed any light on the matter I would appreciate it.

The Admiral

Celsus

Hi Admiral,

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comprehensive debunking site.

And long long ago, there was this thread on the parallels with the Gospel and Roswell:
Gap between Jesus and the gospels and the Roswell Incident

Joel

Marduk

Col. Philip Cosro (deceased) wrote a book a few years ago called Roswell; The Day After. He claims he was there and it's all true, went to his death saying so as well. I dunno, I also read the Air Forces's book ' Roswell Case Closed', of course it says the exact opposite.
I saw the Bryan Gumble TV show where they excavated the sight of the alleged crash. What was interesting was that children of the Roswell base commander were there as voulunteers. and even after the Gov't 'came clean' with the "did we say it was a weather balloon? what we really meant was a super duper spy balloon Mogul" story. He still refused to discuss the matter with his family, till he was dying of cancer and pumped full of morphine, he finally answered the question, his daughter asked what was at Roswell? "creatures" he said.

To me the Mogul explanation is weak at best. The fact that you say that you heard talk about "bodies" back in 1952 is interesting, these stories about alien bodies in addition to the crash was not in the public myth till the 1980's.

They enlarged the photo of Marcel holding weather balloon parts to the point you could read the memo in his bosses hands, the words 'disk' and 'victims' were pretty clear.

jayh

There is a well established effect that our memories, especially vague ones from years back can be completely modified by things we've heard since. Memories of this type, which have had substantial influence over the years truly cannot be trusted.

Probably this sounds offensive and it's not meant to be insulting. It simply is how the human memory works.

jay

The Admiral

jayh

No offense taken.

It wasn't just the alien bodies thing that provided the memory. It was the total circumstances, but I assure you the legend was there. There has got to be some documention somewhere. If there is I'll find it.

The Admiral

Marduk

This site has a collection of Government documents provided by the freedom of information act on UFO type stuff. Some of it is pretty funny, the Roswell stuff is often 12 pages of blackened out paper.

http://www.blackvault.com/

this site has a speech from some guy backing up Corso, FWIW


http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ACCandRoswell.html


are you looking for documentation of the story being circulated in the 1950’s or actual files on the incident? The latter would be hard to come by, the closest thing would be the enlargement of the memo in the photo I spoke of.
Have you talked to any of the people you heard this from?

Marduk

"Some of it is pretty funny, the Roswell stuff is often 12 pages of blackened out paper."


This I find odd, if Roswell involved a now no longer secret balloon, then why is it all blackened out?

I doubt if even the Russians would have paid 2 cents to learn about a balloon from the 1940's that was obsolete before it was ever used.

jayh

http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-49.html

[As a side point, one of the things that believers often talk about a very strong lightweight metallic foil... how many people had seen metallized mylar back then?]

j

Corona688

Well, one reason comes to my mind..... it was a *SPY* balloon, right? Perhaps other balloons of similar kind were deployed elsewhere, and the US doesn't want other nations to make the connection of weird silver balloon in their territory - > USA

Gregg

If you take the position that there was something more to the story than just the spy balloon, and that the words "disc" and "victims" do indeed appear on the memo in Ramey's hand, then the question becomes--was the "disc" an alien spacecraft and were the "bodies" those of aliens, or is there a more earthbound explanation?

I don't know why more people don't suggest the possibility of an experimental craft helmed by captured Japanese pilots.

The sci-fi miniseries "Taken" suggested that the spacecraft crashed when it collided with the Mogul weather balloon. Of course, if it was really a highly advanced alien spacecraft, this explanation is ridiculous. But if it's an extremely unstable and possibly fragile experimental plane, it makes more sense.

The bodies being those of Japanese men would explain people recalling their small size.

Finally, this theory provides a plausible rationale for the Air Force's longtime twitchiness over this whole matter, as well as the blacked-out documents provided under the Freedom of Information Act. Using POWs to test an experimental craft, TWO YEARS after the end of hostilities, would certainly violate the Geneva convention, I would think.

Weaknesses in the theory?

1. Wouldn't there be a serious risk of the Japanese pilots trying to escape?

Not necessarily. If you limit their fuel and perhaps even eliminate landing gear--necessitating a gliding landing--and point out that even if they do manage to land safely, they'll be in the middle of hostile territory (you don't have to tell them the war is over), what could they do? Heck, you could even put a lock on the cockpit that could only be opened from the outside.

2. But why wouldn't they have told the Japanese pilots the war was over back in 1945?

The experiments may have started before the war was over, those conducting the experiments may have decided they wanted them to continue after the war ended. Victory over Japan was practically an inevitability by 1945, so there was plenty of time to "arrange" things.

3. Wouldn't the Japanese wonder what happened to their pilots?

This is something I'm very unsure about. Does the Geneva Convention require reporting of the names of captive soldiers? If so, after the Japanese might have questioned why we reported capturing several pilots who were now nowhere to be found. Unless, of course, we just never reported them captured in the first place.

4. Why would the A.F. do something so dumb and crazy?

Well, hasn't the military done dumber and crazier stuff? And remember, the Cold War was just beginning, there was pressure to make sure we stayed ahead of the Russians.

Overall, I find the experimental craft/Japanese pilot explanation intriguing, but by no means convincing without additional evidence. Of course, it's definitely more plausible than the alien spaceship thing.

Gregg