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Viti · 05-29-2003, 12:07 PM

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Think about all that had to happen, in the perfect order, to bring humanity to the universe. Now think about all that had to happen, in the perfect order, to bring you into existence on planet Earth. So much �effort� went into bringing me to where I am today, and I should just �not mind� loosing it all for oblivion? That sounds more irrational than theism. I'm sorry, but I love life and existing too much.

::shrug:: I see it as incredible luck and try to take advantage of it while I can...worrying about the millions of years of my non-existence during the few short years of my existence detracts from life IMO.

To each his own though

SecularFuture · 05-29-2003, 12:24 PM

mnkbdky

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�Could people believe in thoughts before there were machines that could detect brain waves or patterns?�

The act of thinking involves �reasoning about or to reflecting on� something. If you can do this, you are thinking, and if you are thinking, you have reason to believe in the concept of thinking. There is no reason or evidence for the existence of a god concept. If you can not experience a god concept first hand, like you can do with thinking, or provide reason for your belief in a god concept, you are without reason for your beliefs.

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�Also, electronic devices can only detect electrical impulses of the brain.�

Thoughts are electronic impulses.

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� They cannot detect the content of the thought.�

Not yet. Maybe in the future. Who knows - at this moment.

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� You did not define what you meant by supernatural or natural.�

Why should I have to? The dictionary does a good job at this.

- Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
http://www.dictionary.com

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�Again, the content of my thoughts are not material, but they do indeed exist and I can detect them.�

Right. Can you detect a god concept? No.

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� Am I irrational for believing that I believe that Elizabeth Shue is attractive?�

Yeah, because Alyssa Milano looks better.

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� Let's take your belief that one should only believe something if they have physical evidence or proof of it.�

No. That�s not my belief. I believe that you should only believe in something if you have evidence or reason to believe in something.

Is it not possible that the Christian bible could have been written by people who were not inspired by a god? It is not possible that Christianity could have been the result of exaggeration, over active imaginations, and a little too much spare time in the hands of creative writers? There is too much faith in theism, and too little reason or logic.

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� I mean, if someone knows that something or someone exists that has incredible powers--such as being able to create something out of nothing--why do they have to first know everything or everyone that does not have such powers?�

First off � I highly doubt that you know if a god exists or not. As I said before, without complete knowledge of the natural universe, you are not in the position to know anything for a absolute fact. You can have blind faith in such concepts, but you can not have absolute knowledge.

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� I am not here to talk about the existence of God. That is another issue. So let's not go into that.�

Why not go into it? Because you can�t.

SecularFuture · 05-29-2003, 12:29 PM

LadyShea

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� I see it as incredible luck�

If someone gave you the greatest gift EVER (think about what you would deem as �the greatest gift�), and said that you could only keep it for a week, would you be upset?

Life, to me, is the greatest gift EVER, and I�m not looking forward to giving it up.

Viti · 05-29-2003, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by SecularFuture
LadyShea

If someone gave you the greatest gift EVER (think about what you would deem as �the greatest gift�), and said that you could only keep it for a week, would you be upset?

Life, to me, is the greatest gift EVER, and I�m not looking forward to giving it up.

I would rather have it for a week than not have it all, and I would enjoy it as much as I possibly could in that time frame.

Do you not enjoy a vacation simply because it ends? My week on Maui was a business trip...I would have rather had more than a week and been able to explore with just my husband instead of with business associates...but I enjoyed it anyway and am glad I got to visit there.

SecularFuture · 05-29-2003, 12:57 PM

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"I would rather have it for a week than not have it all, and I would enjoy it as much as I possibly could in that time frame."

My question was 'would you mind giving it up'?

Viti · 05-29-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by SecularFuture
My question was 'would you mind giving it up'?

Ummm...I might be a bit disappointed, sure...but only because I would remember that week and miss it. However, knowing ahead of time that I would have to give it up means I wouldn't take one minute for granted or waste any of that time. It would be precious because it was temporary.

SecularFuture · 05-29-2003, 01:26 PM

LadyShea

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� It would be precious because it was temporary.�

So � would you get a divorce from your husband in 10 years to make the marriage that you had with him more precious?

Viti · 05-29-2003, 01:49 PM

Nevermind SF...we obviously have completely different thought processes on this issue. Was just trying to show a different perspective. I can't imagine wasting one more minute worrying about the inevitable.

And as to my marriage...the time is already precious because I don't know how much we have. Either one of us could die anytime.

SecularFuture · 05-29-2003, 01:58 PM

LadyShea
If you were immortal, would eventually get tired of your husband? (these are serious / simple [yes/no] questions)

Viti · 05-29-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by SecularFuture
LadyShea
If you were immortal, would eventually get tired of your husband? (these are serious / simple [yes/no] questions)

Can't really answer that. I would think one would become bored of everything and everyone at some point.

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05-29-2003, 01:49 PM	#38
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Nevermind SF...we obviously have completely different thought processes on this issue. Was just trying to show a different perspective. I can't imagine wasting one more minute worrying about the inevitable. And as to my marriage...the time is already precious because I don't know how much we have. Either one of us could die anytime.

05-29-2003, 01:58 PM	#39
SecularFuture Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,866	LadyShea If you were immortal, would eventually get tired of your husband? (these are serious / simple [yes/no] questions)

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