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David M. Payne · 06-24-2002, 07:53 PM

Damn, and I was going to join today too!

It's from <a href="http://www.rickross.com/groups/scientology.html" target="_blank">This site.</a>

Quote:

Who is Xenu?

I�m going to tell you a story. Are you sitting comfortably? Right, then I�ll begin.

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were over-populated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn�t end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a �thetan� in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called �implanting�.

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called �body thetans�. And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these �body thetans� and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago.

Well what did you think of that story?

What? You thought it was a stupid story?

Well so do we. Unfortunately this stupid story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology.* If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years).

We are telling you this story as a warning. If you become involved with Scientology then we would like you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains.

Most of the Scientologists that work in their Dianetics* centres and so called �Churches� of Scientology do not know this story since they are not allowed to hear it until they reach the secret �upper� levels of Scientology. It may take them many years before they reach this level if they ever do. The ones who do know it are forced to keep it a secret and not tell it to those people who are joining Scientology.

Part of the first page of the secret OT III document in L. Ron Hubbard�s own handwriting.

<a href="http://www.xenu.net" target="_blank">www.xenu.net</a>

Now you have read this you know their big secret. Don�t let us put you off joining though.

* Dianetics and Scientology are trademarks of the Religious Technology Centre. This document is not connected with that organisation in any way.

David

PS, I just looked at the autopsy photos, this subject deserves to be seen here for a while.

[ July 02, 2002: Message edited by: David Payne ]</p>

Queen of Swords · 06-24-2002, 08:01 PM

I didn't have a lot of respect for L. Ron Hubbard as a person, but after seeing the term "Teegeeack", I'm not so sure he's that great a writer either.

ashibaka · 06-24-2002, 08:38 PM

This does not merit a topic in the Misc. Religion forum. Maybe it should go in the Misc. Cult forum.

Jane Bovary · 06-24-2002, 08:53 PM

Or in Humour...

Let's face it, Scientology is pretty damn hilarious.

braces_for_impact · 06-24-2002, 10:36 PM

"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous, if a man really wants to make money, he should start his own religion." - L. Ron Hubbard

Need I say more?

lpetrich · 06-25-2002, 01:10 AM

It's certainly not much more absurd than the religion of the crucified tripartite man-god.

Good Scientology-skeptic site: <a href="http://www.clambake.org" target="_blank">http://www.clambake.org</a>

Also, Scientology has a resemblance to Gnosticism, an early-Christian movement that was declared heretical by the Christian "winners". According to Gnosticism, our souls are refugees from another realm in a world created by an evil spirit, Ialdabaoth/Yaldabaoth, and the idea of Gnosticism was to recognize one's true nature and to seek that other realm. Which parallels what Scientology describes Xenu as having done to humanity. As a result, one must get rid of troublesome "body thetans" and "engrams", so one can recognize one's true nature and become a "clear", a very superior being.

Any opinions on Yaldabaoth ~ Xenu?

HelenM · 06-25-2002, 02:22 AM

I don't know about that stuff but decades ago when I lived in Santa Cruz for a few months, I remember reading some of their only-available-through-them books in a second-hand bookstore there

At that point I had figured out that Dianetics is based around some form of 'counseling/therapy' where you talk out your traumatic experiences. Well, in the books in the bookstore I learned that these go into your past lives, all the way back to when you were a fish traumatically eaten by some predator.

So here I am - no wonder I have problems since I never paid tons of money to talk through the traumas I experienced in my past life as a fish...

Actually this has a lot in common with all kinds of regression therapy where the so-called counselors take a depressed person and over a period of time, get them to where they are convinced they were ritually abused by Satanists who got them pregnant and then sacrificed their babies; or sexually abused by their father, say...*sigh*

(But I do believe counseling can be helpful, when appropriately done...)

love
Helen

Oresta · 06-25-2002, 04:10 AM

It is my understanding that Scientology counselling to achieve a "clear" state is far more expensive than what the less exotic, licensed professionals charge.

HelenM · 06-25-2002, 08:24 AM

Well, they might claim that's justified because a a true Clear has superhuman capabilities, doesn't he/she?

Or am I thinking of an Operating Thetan or higher? It's been a while since I was reading about Scientology.

Groucho · 06-25-2002, 08:51 AM

You know, if Christians took the time to apply the same critical thinking skills and skepticism they use towards Scientology (not to mention Mormonism and Islam) on their own religion, they might get a big surprise.

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06-24-2002, 08:01 PM	#2
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	I didn't have a lot of respect for L. Ron Hubbard as a person, but after seeing the term "Teegeeack", I'm not so sure he's that great a writer either.

06-24-2002, 08:38 PM	#3
ashibaka Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cloudy Water Posts: 443	This does not merit a topic in the Misc. Religion forum. Maybe it should go in the Misc. Cult forum.

06-24-2002, 08:53 PM	#4
Jane Bovary Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Fatal Shore Posts: 900	Or in Humour... Let's face it, Scientology is pretty damn hilarious.

06-24-2002, 10:36 PM	#5
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous, if a man really wants to make money, he should start his own religion." - L. Ron Hubbard Need I say more?

06-25-2002, 01:10 AM	#6
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	It's certainly not much more absurd than the religion of the crucified tripartite man-god. Good Scientology-skeptic site: <a href="http://www.clambake.org" target="_blank">http://www.clambake.org</a> Also, Scientology has a resemblance to Gnosticism, an early-Christian movement that was declared heretical by the Christian "winners". According to Gnosticism, our souls are refugees from another realm in a world created by an evil spirit, Ialdabaoth/Yaldabaoth, and the idea of Gnosticism was to recognize one's true nature and to seek that other realm. Which parallels what Scientology describes Xenu as having done to humanity. As a result, one must get rid of troublesome "body thetans" and "engrams", so one can recognize one's true nature and become a "clear", a very superior being. Any opinions on Yaldabaoth ~ Xenu?

06-25-2002, 02:22 AM	#7
HelenM Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ill Posts: 6,577	I don't know about that stuff but decades ago when I lived in Santa Cruz for a few months, I remember reading some of their only-available-through-them books in a second-hand bookstore there At that point I had figured out that Dianetics is based around some form of 'counseling/therapy' where you talk out your traumatic experiences. Well, in the books in the bookstore I learned that these go into your past lives, all the way back to when you were a fish traumatically eaten by some predator. So here I am - no wonder I have problems since I never paid tons of money to talk through the traumas I experienced in my past life as a fish... Actually this has a lot in common with all kinds of regression therapy where the so-called counselors take a depressed person and over a period of time, get them to where they are convinced they were ritually abused by Satanists who got them pregnant and then sacrificed their babies; or sexually abused by their father, say...sigh (But I do believe counseling can be helpful, when appropriately done...) love Helen

06-25-2002, 04:10 AM	#8
Oresta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,107	It is my understanding that Scientology counselling to achieve a "clear" state is far more expensive than what the less exotic, licensed professionals charge.

06-25-2002, 08:24 AM	#9
HelenM Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ill Posts: 6,577	Well, they might claim that's justified because a a true Clear has superhuman capabilities, doesn't he/she? Or am I thinking of an Operating Thetan or higher? It's been a while since I was reading about Scientology.

06-25-2002, 08:51 AM	#10
Groucho Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Freedonia Posts: 10	You know, if Christians took the time to apply the same critical thinking skills and skepticism they use towards Scientology (not to mention Mormonism and Islam) on their own religion, they might get a big surprise.

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