Zentraedi

How can you be so sure? I find the idea that we spawned randomly, out of nothing just as unbelievable as being spawned feom an alien being populated the galaxy or a god doing so. Of coarse the idea of a god doing it sounds a little less believable just because religion's relation to god has falsehoods that have been brought to light. If you take christians or muslims out of the picture, a god being related to creation of man still sounds just as likely. Everyone keeps saying god is in our imagination, well pretending you know what has happened over the last 12-15 billion years, and that there is not a reason to anything is in your imagination.

Zentraedi

I'm not going to justify that other stuff you said with a response, as you we obviously trying to misdirect what i was trying to say. Whether it was intentional or just a misunderstanding I don't care. The first three questions I asked where meant to be rhetorical. I know how evolution works and I beleive in it. I will respond to the last thing.


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Gods are figments of our imagination. Now what exactly is going on in your imagination remains to be seen, but it would appear to involve lysergic acid diethylamide.

TTFN, DT

Zentraedi: I guess 95% of the world is on one hell of a trip!

Corona688

No, no, no, life was spawned out of proteins, lipids, nucleic acids, and other such organic mess. And water; lots of that.

You still have to explain where those aliens came from, or where god came from then. If only complexity can create complexity, then what created god, the most ludicriously complex thing of all?
No, we're not just rejecting the Christian or Muslim gods. We're rejecting the VERY IDEA of a god.

Wrong. We do have a fairly good idea WHAT happened, with sources of evidence ranging from geology to biology to cosmology... if you wish to deny more than 100 years of scientific progress with a 'bah, humbug' that's your business, but you're not going to convince anyone.

The real question now, is HOW did it happen. There are MANY different paths by which life could have originated(and by no means can we have we thought of all of them); the problem is figuring out which one DID happen.

Researchers do not have the option of waving at a problem and saying 'Goddidit!' and it's a good thing they don't. Reality has a habit of doing as it darn well pleases, no matter what anybody believes.

Oolon Colluphid

Erm, 'misconstrue', presumably? Nope, all I had to work from was what you wrote. A clarity of writing issue, perhaps?

Then neither do I

Fine... but I didn't actually disagree with them...

Then you shouldn't 'believe in' it. Evolution is not a belief system, it's a fact and the best explanation of living things we have. No faith required. But fair enough. Too long in E/C can make one pedantic on these things .

Probably. But what goes on in one's mind is no basis for claims about reality.

Cheers, DT

Oolon Colluphid

Ahem. You said you knew how evolution works. You little fibber you.
Argument from personal incredulity. Or in this case, ignorance.
They’re all mere shades of the same colour of nonsense. They’re all just as fallacious.
Sure, if you like. They were never in it to begin with though.
Just as likely as in, ‘not in the least likely’? I agree. Sorry old chum, but you clearly know absolutely nothing about how evolution works, nor abiogenesis. I can suggest some useful books and websites, if you’re interested.
Well he is conspicuous by his absence everywhere else.
Hmmm. Your knowledge of science in general, and scientific epistemology in particular, is a bit thin on the ground, it seems.
There’s plenty of reasons. They derive from the way the world is: chemistry, physics, and so on.
Not sure I follow you. What’s in our imagination? That we know anything about the past?

DT