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Old 11-15-2002, 02:24 AM   #1
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What is your purpose to life. What is the reason the first entity that could reproduce(earliest form of RNA?), reproduce itself? There is so many things going on around you right at this moment that are happening for no reason that I can comprehend unless some outside intelligence, or collective intelligence has a hand in it.
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Why do you want a reason? It happened, that's all.
Still uncomfortable to think that changes in the universe have no purpose?
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Old 11-15-2002, 07:39 AM   #3
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To have a good time while I'm here and hopefully leave the world a little better than when I found it.

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What is the reason the first entity that could reproduce(earliest form of RNA?), reproduce itself?
There are many theories of how this happened. The truth is that nobody knows for sure. The only thing that is for certain is that there is absolutely no reason to suspect that any kind of intelligence guided the process. In Richard Dawkin's The Blind Watchmaker, he gives an example of one of these theories that sounded pretty reasonablr to me. You chould check it out.

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There is so many things going on around you right at this moment that are happening for no reason that I can comprehend unless some outside intelligence, or collective intelligence has a hand in it.
Just because you don't know the reason doesn't mean that the reason has to be God. For most of history, people thought that the reason the sun rose and set each day was because some guiding intelligence made it do so. Then we figured out the whole earth-orbiting-the-sun thing and saw that their wasn't any kind of God involved int he process. It's the same with every other thing we do not yet understand. We'll figure it out one day, if our species manages to go on long enough, and we'll see that for each of them, no guiding intelligence or God is necessary.
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*** There isn't anything called "life".**** Except for "pyrrhonist sceptics", some of us (all-equal-here) agree that certain out-there-observable critters display certain sets of similar behaviours, and that we will call such sets of critters "living". Reproduction (= making other critters replicas of the first critters) is one of the behaviours which "we" (e.g.biologists) agree to call typical of "living creatures".
There's no point in starting big fat fights about agreed-upon verbal usages. If persons do not care to accept the word-categories of other persons, the former persons shd take, o take themselves elsewhere....
EVERYTHING which humanbeings (we're all-equal-here) discuss (= perforce in-words, how otherwise?) are human confections. These human artefacts may or may NOT relate somewhat or considerably or not-at-all to entities Out-There. Agreement about all-that depends on CONSENSUS, that's all! If you can persuade other human beings (we're all-equal-here) to agree to use your label-systems, you-group may be able to talk together; how-profitably may not be determinable. Religions, for example, concern w/ the improbable & unprovable = by definition. The value of discussing such matters cannot be assessed, perhaps.
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“What is your purpose to life.”?
To stay alive, what’s yours?

“What is the reason the first entity that could reproduce(earliest form of RNA?), reproduce itself?”
Easy: if it did not reproduce itself, it cannot be said to have reproduced.

“There is so many things going on around you right at this moment that are happening for no reason that I can comprehend unless some outside intelligence, or collective intelligence has a hand in it.”

Name just one.
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What is my purpose in life???

i would say to love, know, and glorify God.
Love as definined in 1 Corinthians 13.
To know God in that most intimate and exciting way that is possible.
To glorify God meaning: to think, suppose, be of opinion, to praise, extol, magnify, celebrate, to honor, do honor to, hold in honor, to make glorious, adorn with luster, clothe with splendor, impart glory to something, render it excellent to make renowned, render illustrious to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged

“There is so many things going on around you right at this moment that are happening for no reason that I can comprehend unless some outside intelligence, or collective intelligence has a hand in it.”

>>>>Name just one.

photosynthesis...how did it evolve.


i have no clue on the other one.
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Old 11-15-2002, 09:56 AM   #7
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photosynthesis...how did it evolve.
Educate thyself, kemosabe. Read up on different theories about the process evolution and photosynthesis in specific, then come back with questions or objections to the theories. If you won't put in the grunt work first, no one here is going to bother with a conversation.
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<strong>Why do you want a reason? It happened, that's all.
Still uncomfortable to think that changes in the universe have no purpose?</strong>
Rain happens. Do you just say it happens, and go on. Is this not a forum of science?
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<strong>“What is your purpose to life.”?
To stay alive, what’s yours?

“What is the reason the first entity that could reproduce(earliest form of RNA?), reproduce itself?”
Easy: if it did not reproduce itself, it cannot be said to have reproduced.

“There is so many things going on around you right at this moment that are happening for no reason that I can comprehend unless some outside intelligence, or collective intelligence has a hand in it.”

Name just one.</strong>
If there is not a reason reproduction started then nothing has a reason. You exist why? The first thing comes to mind is because your parents created you. Why did your parents create you? Its in all animals to want to reproduce. Why do animals reproduce? They reproduce to uphold the traits needed for survival. What is the purpose for survival? Ask the first thing we evolved from. Our existance relies on ultimate purpose, if there is not one, then there is a purpose to nothing. If I ask you what the purpose to eating, you will tell me for enjoyment or to survive and down the chain of new questions it goes to an ultimate purpose.

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What is the purpose for survival? Ask the first thing we evolved from.

Ask yourself what is the alternative to survival and perhaps you may begin to understand the purposelessness of this question.
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