Shadowy Man

For some really wild theories, check out <a href="http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html" target="_blank">this page</a>.

thebeave

How does he explain the disappearance of the people who boarded that flight (AA Flt 77?) that supposedly DIDN'T hit the Pentagon? Was that plane instead diverted to some secret hideaway somewhere where all those passengers are now living new lives?

Chip

A flash video of Bush on the morning of 9/11/01

<a href="http://www.symbolman.com/911short.exe" target="_blank">http://www.symbolman.com/911short.exe</a>

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DWade

Apparently, stupidity has no bounds...

Kosh

Ooooh! Maybe they're all at guantamamo bay! That's why they have hoods over their faces, so we won't recognize them!

Shadowy Man

<a href="http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ejulianr/witness.html#5" target="_blank">here (http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ejulianr/witness.html#5)</a> is a good explanation of the plane's trajectory into the Pentagon from an analysis of downed light poles.

Mike Rosoft

This is <a href="http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm" target="_blank">Snopes' take</a> on the conspiracy theories.


Mike Rosoft

Chip

Hmm, Snope appears to be attacking just one of the many conspiracy theories. I find <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com" target="_blank">http://www.fromthewilderness.com</a> to hold much more credibility amongst their many journalists. How about that book by Brezinsky? Seems the cowboys in the oval office are following it meticulously.

By the way, if you want to debunk conspiracy theory altogether than you would have to debunk the official and commercial claims also as they state there was a conspiracy by terrorists (see <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=001586" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=001586</a> for more on that loaded double-speak word).

Regards, Chip

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Frivolous

Seeing as everybody here loves me, i will continue to speak.

*disclaimer*
No one is forcing anyone to reply to me. You are under no obligation to read my posts. You may choose to ignore or abuse me. You can even keep a voodoo doll of me and torture it frequently.


back to 9/11. First, erase all thoughts and bias, pity and sorrow.
Seeing as you are all freethinking atheists, this should not be a problem.

Second, read and dispute these facts:

1) The Taliban was anti-Christian
2) The Taliban was anti-American
3) The public has not seen any evidence that Al-Qaeda did it. 'Because the CIA says so, is like saying because the Bible says so'. Suppose that the CIA could be lying. No bias remember
4) To push for a war, a government needs votes to keep it in power.
5) A good way to get public support is through sympathy and a common goal
6) The Bush administration has had very strong support post 9/11
7) The after effects of an attack like 9/11 (how it causes the public to react) would not be entirely impossible to predict.


Then answer these questions:

1) Was there any undisputable evidence that Al-Qaeda dunnit? A sketchy video tape does not count.

2) Would the U.S have had a lot of trouble throwing out the Taliban regime by brute force if it was unprovoked?

3) Did the strong worldwide (post 9/11) pro-American surge help Bush to throw out the Taliban and apply pressure to Iraq? (sure we think they were bad anyway, but just answer the question)

4) Say you were the head of a terrorist organisation capable of carrying out 9/11. Terrorist organisations are always fighting for something. A strategy they employ is to cause terror in their enemies so that their enemies fear them, thus affecting their enemies effectiveness. Why would a terrorist organisation launch such a huge attack and try to get away with it?

Kosh

And yet, that "sketchy video tape" is more evidence than we have for the Genesis Flood, the Exodus, and the Ressurection of Jesus put together. I think I detect a double standard here....