Hastur

Didn't somebody here post a site describing places where the full geologic column actually does exist? I recall one of them being here in North America someplace.

Our "mole" could ask Dr. Cretin about this and see how big the lies get.

simian

He Who Must Not Be Named asked about the geological column in North America. Talk Origins has the article here:
<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/</a>

Arrowman

OK, here's the next instalment which I have just sent off:

dear dr creation

thanks for your reply to my questions on fossil sorting. things are a bit clearer for me now but theres still a couple things I don't get. I wonder if you could help me some more.

i don't understand how having no human fosils is evidence for the flood - i mean, if all the animals and all the humans died together in the flood, why are there no human fossils?

also, I showed your letter to my evolutionist friend and he said two things.

first he said - well, we don't have a mishmash of things all mixed up and buried above where we'd expect them to be - we see order in the fossil record - like, trilobites are always below dinosaurs and things like that. he's right isn't he? isn't that what hydrologic sorting is suppoed to explain?

and the other thing he said was - there is a geologic column and its there in about twenty places all over the world. he sent me to a site called talk.origins where there is a page about this, here is the link: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/</a>

but all that was way over my head. can you explain it to me?

Quetzal

Arrowman!!!! You've got the fundie cant down pat. It's obvious you're simply an evil minion of Satan sent forth to test the faith of the True Believer (TM). How much further do you think you'll be able to carry this? You were skirting the line with the reference to talkorigins, IMO. If you were a True Fundie (pat. pend.), you would have made some disparaging comment about the site. Also, unless you're pretending to be a 12-year-old, you're coming across a bit infantile.

I know, I know. "Those who can - do. Those who can't do - teach. Those who can't teach - critique." All in all, a great effort. Question: Will anyone besides us read the responses? I mean, are they posted on his website, f'rinstance?

Oolon Colluphid

How long does it take to get a reply back? I asked last week about a loving god creating my old favourite, Rickettsia + Pediculus = epidemic typhus (though I asked it in what I hope was good Cretinese ), and no result yet...

Oolon

Automaton

Wall, life is per-fuct-ly designed in e-var-y way... except for the ways it ain't, and those are cuz of the fall, y'know?

Arrowman

Thanks morpho; points taken. I don't know what age I had in mind; ignorance and gullibility were the main characteristics I was working on

I don't think the questions and answers are posted on the site. Of course, if we can gather a decent collection of questions and answers, perhaps someone like John Stear (NAG) could put them up on their site in a little article/commentary.

I just want to see how long it is before this guy twigs.

Arrowman

My first reply came back within a couple of days. But the one I just sent was bounced with a message saying the good Dr is away until 26 Feb "please re-send after that date". So we'll have to wait and see. It may be that your question arrived before the bounceback message started, but still too late for the "Dr" to reply before he went away.

Arrowman

Okey Dokey - I re-sent the e-mail and received a reply within 2 days. The good Dr is nothing if not prompt! Obviously he doesn't have a heavy research and study program to distract him

I think it's time I pulled the pin on my deception; I can't go on twisting my brain around like this!

Here is his reply:

italics = my original e-mail
bold = his response

i don't understand how having no human fosils is evidence for the flood i mean, if all the animals and all the humans died together in the flood, why are there no human fossils?

Good question. Where are the human fossils? We have dinosaur fossils etc. but why no human fossils? How are fossils created in the first place? Only 1 way. Rapid burial in water and mud that begins the mineralization process. An animal dying on the ground does not fossilize. How did this rapid burial happen? Answer: the worldwide flood in Genesis. The answer of why there aren't any human skeletons is because God said he would blot man from the earth. This is what we see.

In fact, why don't we have any half man half ape or any transitional fossils from any species?
the famed leaky drawing of ape evolving into man is merely artist sketches and their is absolutely
no transition of skeletons as such.

also, I showed your letter to my evolutionist friend and he said two things.
first he said well, we don't have a mishmash of things all mixed up and
buried above where we'd expect them to be we see order in the fossil
record like, trilobites are always below dinosaurs and things like that.

No, I don't think that is right. At the moment, I don't have a collection of examples to give you as I've never taken the time to assemble them. But simply pay attention to thinks you see in the media, books, and in your travels. You will definitely see a mish mash. You will see heaver materials on top of lighter materials. You will see sealife fossils on top of mountains. You will see trees buried and fossilized standing straight up and piercing thru multiple layers of geology and thus thru 'millions of years' of layers. You will even hear 'evolutionists' stating that this latest 'find' is curious because it doesn't adhere to what you'd expect to find.

and the other thing he said was there is a geologic column and its there in about twenty places all over the world. he sent me to a site called talk.origins where there is a page about this, here is the link: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/</a>

I've gotten many a profane and threatening email from people who love that site. Especially after the Dr. answered your email. The thing to note about articles and knowledge published by 'evolutionists' is that everything they conclude is to support their faith system. Their god is man's knowledge. Their knowledge is built upon previous 'knowledge, conclusions, and assumptions'. Therefore, to spot the errors can turn into a massive headache at times; you have to dig thru each fact or assumption to see if it is built on a previous assumption that is not scientifically proven or is circular in reasoning. It is not a worthwhile endeavor to debate on a point by point or micro point by micro point basis. Neither will ever win. In the end, neither creation or evolution is SCIENTIFICALLY proveable. ie. neither can be reproduced, neither can be observed, and neither has an eyewitness alive or that has documented actual observation. So one must start with which faith system they will subscribe to and reconcile observed facts towards that system. One cannot reason another faith system into God's statements in the Bible by arguing micropoints. One has to argue the big picture first, then reconcile towards that. Does the geologic column and sorting PROVE evolution? Certainly not. At best it proves that THE FLOOD (which is ignored) simply sorted out things when it settled. Can one reproduce the worldwide massive catostrophe of the flood? Can one explain the things we do find all over the world that are clearly results of a worldwide flood any other way? Here again, just pay attention to what you find and see through your travels.

Evolution, by it's very nature, rules out that we have a loving creator omnipotent God. God has clearly and plainly told us He created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and ALL that is in them.

So, are we going to believe the bible, God's word, or are we going to trust and believe in man's reasoning and knowledge? If we say we will believe some of the bible but just not the creation story we are saying that God is a liar. The bible tells us that ALL scripture is inerrant, and written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. If we don't believe creation, what's next? That Jesus isn't really God's only Son? or that He isn't our Saviour? or that Jesus really didn't rise into heaven in front of numerous witnesses? All throughout the bible the creation story is referred to and is acknowledged as fact, even by Jesus himself. It is not just in Genesis 1.

The Dr. hopes this helps bolster your faith. The Dr. knows for a fact (because God told him in the bible) that Jesus loves your evolutionist friend and wants your friend to have a personal and growing relationship with Jesus. Regardless of whether or not we acknowledge that He is Lord, that He is the Creatior He is still there. He still loves us. He will be the one who judges us.

but all that was way over my head. can you explain it to me?

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