Gemma Therese

If women want to preach the Gospel, they can do so as RCIA instructors, CCD teachers, or more dramatically, as vowed religious. (The Domincans, after all, are known as the "Order of Preachers"). No one is stopping a woman from getting a degree in theology and teaching religion in a Catholic high school.

Women cannot and should not be priests. It is that simple. They can still preach, in fact, they are called to.

Gemma Therese

Proxima Centauri

HLere's what Oxidizing Material said about you, Gemma Therese.

Oxidizing Material IIDB Regular Member # 5643 posted August 11, 2002 01:49 PM Dear Gemma Therese, Over the past months you seem to have wedged yourself into the secular website to help us poor, betrodden infidels who for some reason beyond your limited comprehension, don't believe in god. Now, while the base fact may not have sat well with you, the fact that you dig it deeper and deeper is beginning to get, how you say, annoying. See, the secular web is a forum for infidels to discuss their lives, problems, amusing quips of the day, politics, secularism and other such things. Every now and then a misguided Christian will wander in and see the godless heathens who are currently not burning in hell as your god so aptly wishes. They'll spout off some hellfire and brimstone, repent now, Jesus saves and various other cliches until they realize that it's against God's word to be using the internet or even sharing the same bandwidth with us godless child eating heathens spawned from hell, but that's how it goes. Usually, they're tagged with either of two names: "Troll" if they're jaded towards us, or "Target Practice" if they're just confused as to where they are (Jesus cookies have surprising hallucinigenic effects). You, on the other hand, don't fit perfectly into either
, so we're forced to create a "third" category if you will. We'll call this category "Doesn't Get It". So far, we've lumped Mr. Vir the Nazi 14 Year Old and possibly Eternal the Yappy into this category, and you tally up the female roster quite well. Allow me to explain the position.
You see, in the category of "Doesn't Get It", we are faced with the people who either don't understand who they're speaking to, or they aren't very good at interpreting words literally (ooh, like they'd have THAT problem).
Trebazi didn't seem to understand that people nowadays are opposed to fascist world views and the fact nobody really cares about whatever his intelligence quotient is. But he was there, despite hundreds of infidels telling him "We don't care" over and over things we had already heard, things that were pissing the general population off, and things that were downright wrong.
So what does he do? He continues to blather on and on about nothing! The kicker here is that when he was refuted, proved wrong or presented with a question or tidbit he couldn't deal with, he'd take a page of essays explaining to him the error and reply with an irrelivant comment that really had nothing to do with anything. IE, if you gave him 3 pages of text explaining why fascism is wrong in today's world, he'd simply say something to the effect of:
"You spelled "inconsistancy" incorrectly. Therefore, you are stupid and not worth my time. Next please
We see the same pattern emerge in your postings, as this thread provides us with one such example. People here aren't avoiding christianity or are scared of it or whatever, the fact is WE'VE COME TO TERMS IN OUR OWN OPINIONS THAT RELIGION IS NOT FOR US. For your own sake, accept the fact people will have different opinions than you in life and they don't influence your life! We don't force atheism on anybody. We don't claim atheism to be the "One True (tm) Choice", we don't believe in a god or series of gods. Where here, then, is the word or phrase you don't understand? I'll break it down slowly so maybe you can figure out what's beind said:
Shut. The hell. Up.
Got that one? Let's meet your roommate, Eternal.
Where to start with Eternal? Probably one of the biggest clueless theists that has ever "graced" the board. You'd think he'd stop after the first 20 topics or so that all related to the same thing, but boy, did he prove us wrong! Never getting the hint, racking up page after page in his topic of people telling him how he was wrong, but no, it was relentless. You also follow this pattern to become a sort of Eternal-Trebazi hybrid, a Eternazi, if you will.
See, because no matter how much you believe it, we're not going to drop to our knees and convert to the Christian way of thinking. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. We've already established with ourselves and one another our "beliefs" or lack thereof. It's like the man who chooses to walk 10 minutes to work every day because he likes the exercise and the insane group of people who follow him pleading with him to buy a car or else they'll beat him up. He's not going to relent, and they're not going to sell him a car. But yet there they are, trying anyway with vauge veiled threats, "proof" that their car is the best because the manual says so, phrases such as "You believe walking is the best but YOU KNOW a car is better" and other such things. Again, in short, STOP TRYING TO SELL US A CAR/CHRISTIANITY. We're not going to relent. You're wasting both our time.
So as much as you don't understand it, we're not interested in your religious tripe. Please stop trying to sell it to us. Don't reply to this with a disconnected one line sentence and think you can go off and pray for more of us sinners to see the light because it won't happen. You have your truths, we have ours.
Leave us alone.
Thank you.

Here's what Oxidizing Material said on another discussion thread. Topic: Is Hell really that hot? Lots of people agreed with him. We don't want you, Gemma Therese its impolite to stay.
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Gemma Therese

It's impolite to stay? Since when has anyone on this board been concerned with manners?

Gemma Therese

Proxima Centauri

I think we need to consider changing the way the Sec Web is organized.
Lets have just one discussion thread for Christian (moronic) preachers. You're not polite Gemma so I won't be.
Lets ban proseletizing from other discussions. That way we can discuss secular things whlen we want to without being preached at.

Gemma Therese

You're not polite, Gemma, so I won't be?

brighid

Gemma,

I fully understand what women can and cannot do within Catholicism. But MANY women feel they have been called by God to work in the capacity of priests. But all that aside – women are EXCOMMUNICATED for no crime at all, whereas MEN who commit crimes against man and their God by harming children, but also murdering and torturing HIS Chosen People are NOT! That is the problem and they hypocrisy. Where is the forgiveness for these women? Why such harsh and unjust punishment? And again the ONLY thing that disqualifies them is their genitalia – not their character, not their dedication to God, not their kindness, compassion or ability to lead. They are kept from EVER ascending to any position in which they could effect positive change not only for the Church but for the faithful for no other reason then they possess vaginas. Historically, that has been enough to silence, oppress, torture and murder women and now when modern times are not so tolerant of such things they continue to be silenced and oppressed for NO good reason – except that somehow their genitalia makes them utterly incapable of representing a being, that is not defined by his genitalia by supposedly by his character thereby completely diminishing the sanctity and the power of said God.

Furthermore, considering that certain types of men (who seem to be attracted to the priesthood) have demonstrated not only a propensity for harming children, but all sorts of other debauchery and because of the repressive and destructive nature of the Catholic priesthood, it’s dwindling ranks and it’s presently weakening position that ONE could see the logic in having women serve in a capacity that would lessen the chances that little children would be MOLESTED! But hey – they weren’t born with penis’ and therefore can’t actually represent Christ … ya, okay … that makes sense ….

As to manners, many, many people on this board have been very courteous to you despite your behavior: such as deliberately ignoring questions, obfuscating the issues and your proselytizing.

Brighid

Mageth

Posted by JohnR:
Now Mary Martin was Peter Pan.

Touche.

Amos

Of course it is and civil law will deal with this. It is at this time that bridgid can speak her mind.

Amos

Once a priest always a priest and nothing you say will ever change his. To even suggest different is like saying that you are taking their salvation back which is something God can't even do. It kind of proves that you do not know what the priesthood is all about. I should add here that I am just speaking about the symbolism behind the priesthood and the seventh sacrament and will never defend sex criminals for their actions.

Let's see if I can make it a litle easier for you to understand. Honey, there are rules to be followed and those ambitious priestesses you so much adore are really scoring goals in their own net. Can you picture that? Those of us who know the difference between right and wrong don't wanne see this happen because soon we will lose big-time.

Hitler has nothing to do with this but I always thought that Hitler was another freethinker like Luther and now your sweet female priestesses.

Please help me because I forgot how that goes again, but does it not say someplace that we must not fear those who harm us physically but must be afraid of those who rob us from eternal life?

God was male (no he/she/it about) and Mary was female and the role of Mary should never be confused or diffused because She is our last hope--which makes the role of women in the Church the most important after all.

Walter_Mitty

Gemma,

Just curious, what do you think of those Protestant religions that allow women to be pastors/preachers?

Also, do you care to elaborate in regards to why they CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be priests?

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