babdon

if we were ever to truely create artifitial intelligence, would it by defination, really still be artifitial intelligence. If it can think for itself, wouldn't that make it just plain, intelligence?

And does intelligence come with everything else? surely if you are intelligent, you'd be smart enough to know you 'exist' and thus have something that resembles a consciousness. Would intelligence come with emotion? ambition? desire?

Which leads me to think, if we did create say, a computer that truelly was intelligent, would it be simply satisfied with say, guiding a bomb to its target (which in turn would actually destroy it - which goes against self preservation) or some of the more boring chores we'd need intelligent computers for? What would it deem its purpose be? What would it have to 'live' for?

Godot

Welcome to II, babdon!
The A in AI refers to artificially manufactured. I would agree that any intelligence, to be worthy of the title, would require consciousness.
Of course, that raises the spectre of how to define consciousness.

You intimate that the AI would require some higher purpose. I put the question to you: Why?

Tom Sawyer

I think this question revolves around the issue is whether intelligence requires consciouness or free will.

If we could build a machine that was conscious, would it necessarily be free to use that consciousness to in whatever manner it wanted or would it still be called AI if we programmed parameters into that consciousness so that it could only make certain choices?

If we wanted to build an intelligent missle or bomb that could hunt down a target and then destroy both the target and itself, would giving the bomb a consciousness and sense of self preclude us from programming in that it has no sense of self-preservation? If we wanted an intelligent servant android to clean our houses and do our chores, would it still be AI if we programmed it to never want to have more out of it's existence?

Without the ability to make this choices based on its own free will, would the machine actually be considered intelligent, in the sense that we apply the word to ourselves, or just an advanced program that simulates some aspects of intelligence?

Bumble Bee Tuna

machines are not human. Humans evolved self-preservation mechanisms. Computers would not evolve and would actually be created specifically aiming NOT to give a self-preservation instinct. We should not anthropomorphize things, and imagine that every aspect of human nature is necessary for intelligence. It is not.

-B

simian

Humans are quite capable of ignoring their drive for self-preservation to do things that will get them killed (suicide bombings, running into a burning building to try to rescue somebody). Select the correct human and they could guide (and ride) a bomb to the target. Why should a computer based system be any different - heck, it can be copied (or I assume it could be), so could have a form of immortality, if desired. Send a copy to the suicide mission.

Simian

Corwin

The point is that we don't need to. A bomb, a personal servant android, a construction android... they all have something in common. They don't NEED actual 'intelligence.' They just need to be able to fake it well. Psudeointelligence is the key here. They'd only need to be intelligent in a few limited areas.

Majestyk

Intelligence would seem to include the ability to Reason which itself would be dependant on the ability to Comprehend which, in turn would require the properties of Association and Value.

Intelligence, I don't imagine at this time, can be achieved thru a simple or complex, string of logical expressions (if/then statements) alone. It would require separate processing units, operating in a semi-independent manner, sharing information and responsibilities to create an Intelligence.

The real question is: Is emotion a requirement for intelligence? Would intelligence require motivation? What is intelligence, again?

Corwin

You've just hit on the major stumbling block for AI research. How does one reproduce something one can't even DEFINE?

Intelligence is like pornography. We can't define it, but we know it when we see it.

babdon

wow :notworthy good stuff....

Well, i know i probably couldn't accurately define it, but don't we know what it is but just don't know how it works? I mean, don't we measure intelligence? Or atleast know the levels of intelligence that certain animals exhibit? i may be wrong but don't we have tests that help us determine if and how intelligent animals are? Like, how do they know dolphins are intelligent? Don't they do tests to figure these things out?


i guess i was thinking along the lines of human intelligence :banghead: . Even animals that arent as smart as us get bored when they've got nothing to do...

so basically, what i'm assimulating from this thread is that we can only fake intelligence. Basically AI is really just a real fancy way of saying complex program.

Wyz_sub10

So is "consciousness".