Rational BAC

This forum goes surprisingly fast as you have already noticed. A lot of people here. Sometimes it can seem a little overwhelming.
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I am also a newbie. Going to throw this in since it fits a little the original post.

Would this forum accept a Bible thumping born again Christian to debate intellectually with? I am not one, although a believer.

Would someone who actually believed word for word the Bible as inerrant be welcomed here as an accepted challenge? Or would he or she be lambasted and made out the fool. And not really be given a real chance to state his case?

Bringing this up because I am acquainted with some very intelligent born aginner "creationists"-----------Not sure if I should suggest this forum to them or not.

Am asking here first before I even consider bringing a fundamentalist born aginner in here. I do not want to cause problems.

Honest replies appreciated

Thanks in advance.

Rational BAC

No responses at all on my question. Maybe I shouldn't have butted into this one.

But I thought it fit in with the "newbie" theme anyway.

I sure hate to start a whole new thread on such a simple question.

Would a very intelligent, born aginner, fundamentalist, creationist Christian -----------be welcomed on this forum-?-- Or would he or she be laughed at, not paid any real attention to and not really allowed to state his or her position without a whole bunch of grief?

Again---that person sure in hell aint me. I have enough problems with fundies myself.

Again---just curious -- and--------------

Honest answers requested.

Again --I do not want to cause problems

Mageth

Rational BAC-

Salmon of Doubt answered your question quite well at the bottom of the post immediately preceding your latest post. I agree with his response.

Jamie_L

There are already a wide variety of believers posting in the various forums here. I'm always pleased to see more come our way, simply because part of the reason I enjoy posting here is for lively debate. Debate ain't too lively if everyone's on the same side.

There is a caveat, however: This is the internet. People's tact and manners seem to go out the window around here. A Biblical literalist is likely to get blasted by some posters here, even if the believer is polite. Simply being a Biblical literalist will be enough provocation for some folks to treat them poorly. If the believer is agressive and impolite in return, it's likely to get even worse. However, there are some of us who try to be reasonable and polite even in the midst of heated discussion. I wouldn't advise a Biblical literalist to come here if they don't have a thick skin. They need to be able to shrug off or ignore the occasional flame and keep their cool if they want to have debates rather than shouting matches. Otherwise all their threads will dissolve into fury and name-calling.

Jamie

Godless Dave

Of course he's welcome here. However, it would be best if he/she knew ahead of time that just stating his or her position will not convince anybody, and we have heard it before. If she makes assertions the posters here will demand support for those assertions. If she comes up with the same tired oft-refuted C. S. Lewis/Josh McDowell silliness you can expect some impatience on our part. If she states anything that isn't true, she should expect to be corrected (many fundies seem to see correcting an error as an "attack").

It is true there are some posters here who will be jerks for the sake of being jerks. That's true anywhere; those people can be ignored and if they break the rules they can be reported to the mods. The mods here are very even-handed and consistent about enforcing the rules.

Rational BAC

Mageth---

Sorry --I missed it. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

Will admit the guy can be somewhat abrasive at times, though very intelligent.

He can give me an awfully good argument, and I thought I was the best there was against fundies.

Still not sure if I should clue him in to this forum or not. He does know the Bible very well---------and, as I have found out, many atheists know the Bible very well too. Would be tit for tat in any case.

(I do not know the Bible very well at all myself------but cherry pickers like myself don't really have to you know)

Might turn into interesting discussion. Might turn into a mess.

Any other input on this?

Selsaral

I think anyone who comes here needs to be prepared to be shown to be wrong, and be courageous enough to acknowledge it when they are (you'll gain tremendous respect by admitting mistakes an errors). I am a hardcore atheist and I have been wrong about countless things on this forum. A fundy needs to be prepared for that. Furthermore, if you'll accept this blatant generalization, fundies rarely have even the most rudimentary understanding of science. There are a LOT of incredibly knowledeable people here, and making incorrect statements about scientific matters (discussing scientific issues is almost unavoidable) is going to bring down the wrath of knowledge upon them. An understandable lack of knowledge is one thing, but a fundified spouting of propoganda and ID theories is going to call down some devastating corrections.

Rational BAC

Godless Dave----

Thanks for that one.

I may do it. -------Tell him about this forum---and see what happens.

I think he is pretty thick skinned. Blows up sometimes, but not often.

At any rate --I do like the guy even though I disagree with him concerning just about everything to do with Christianity------

----Cherry picker Christians like myself and Christian fundamentalists like him do not hardly see eye to eye. But I do respect his intelligence, his Biblical knowledge, and his ability in debate.

Rational BAC

Selsoral--

The guy believes strongly in "Creation Science" ---------and has all kinds of "scientific" proof for that. Some of it somewhat interesting.

Of course, I think it is mostly bogus.---trying to fit the whole history of the Universe into just 6000 or so years seems like the epitomy of stupidity-----------but I am no scientist. I do not personally believe in the Old Testament as the divine word of God in any way.---and certainly not in Genesis. And I also have a lot of problems with the New Testament as well.

Still thinking about it. Like I said before--I kind of like the guy. Would not like to see him completely demolished.

Rational BAC

Selsaral---

Maybe I should have started a new thread for this one. Seem to be butting in way too much on an existing thread. One last question and I will give it up.

Anyway---------this "Creation Science" Fundie guy does seem to like to use very many cut and paste stuff and "links" to support his case.

I have not noticed any cut and paste or "links" at all used in posts on this forum. I would assume that "links" and cut and paste are either discouraged or completely disallowed here -------

--------If so I should tell him in advance that he will have to use his own words to explain his case?
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