tgamble

No, not the government. Creationists.

YEC assholes rant against Hugh Ross
http://www.ldolphin.org/hovind-ross.html

""The Journal of Geophysical Research, volume 73, July 15, 1968, reported that lava rocks formed in 1800 and 1801 in Hawaii were dated by a potassium-argon method and showed an age of formation of 160 million years to 3 billion years. This shows a tremendous discrepancy between the actual age and the age as determined by a radiometric dating method. Another example of erroneous dating is reported in Science, volume 162, October 11, 1968. Volcanic rocks known to be less than 200 years old were dated by a radiometric dating method and showed ages of 12 to 21 million years, showing that the reliability of these dating methods is in question when tested against materials with a known origin. We must remember that these same dating techniques are one scientists believe give a positive proof of the earth being billions of years old. The following is a list of lava rock samples known to be less than 200 years old, showing the test results using the potassium-argon method."

I'm pretty sure that at lest one of those cases is refuted here.
http://dlindsay.best.vwh.net/creation/hawaii.html

fucking cretinists.

Caligula

Also, if you note the dates of those articles, it seems that the YECs can't keep up with modern science. 1968? Yeesh!

tgamble

"Modern science" to them is crap. They rely on silly myths thousands of years old! :banghead: :boohoo:

Jinto

Hey, don't compare creationists to stupid lying unethical morons. That's an insult to stupid lying unethical morons everywhere.

lpetrich

Here is an E-Z way for volcanic rocks to seem old.

They can be "xenoliths", pieces of existing solid rock carried up by the volcano's rising magma. Which can be common in some volcanoes.

Godot

Ouch, that was painful. I couldn't even force myself to get a third of the way through that trollop.
What's the point with debating someone who refuses to acknowledge alternate points of view as potentially valid? Formally debating with a YEC will help you tear out your hair, and will only add credibility to their position (as seen by outsiders).

SULPHUR

There could be a myriad of reasons especially if pillow lavas were being tested.These people who question a tried and true method should be made to go to lessons until they understand or die of old age[which I think would happen to most of them]

beausoleil

How did you manage to plough through that ldolphin site?

Anyway, as I recollect you can't date olivine inclusions either. The source region in the upper mantle has a large excess 40Ar component which the xenoliths inherit. Dividing total 40Ar by total K is a meaningless number. For some diamond inclusions the number you get is older than the age of the Earth (wait until the creationists get a load of that!!!).

The excess 40Ar is there because of K decay over the age of the Earth.

Azathoth

This is a surprise?Unethical conduct is part and parcel of christianity.One thing I've been looking at recently,is the way that christianity deals with other religions.

There seems to be an imperitive among evangelical christian types to spread their way of thinking,to everyone they can,regardless of the means used.In an area that is mostly populated by non christians,this involves attacking the belief system of the natives,in order to convert them to christianity.

In an area composed of christians,this imperitive to enforce their ideas,results in the,almost comical,phenomina of different christian sects trying to convert each other to their "correct" brand of christianity.Sometimes,the most extreme ones will even assert that anybody but them is evil,or at best,mislead.

In looking at how fundamentalist christianity has approached science,I've been looking at their behaviour towards other religions.They will often try to look for some sort of 'hook' that they can use,and it usually doesn't matter how dishonest that approach is.

The "greater good" of getting a convert,or the need to keep a member of theirs from thinking a way that they don't want,is really all that matters.

It is my belief that fundamentalists look at evolution science,or any other science that disputes their beliefs,as another kind of religion.

It seems they are set up to view any set of ideas,that are not those of their religion,as "another religion".

There then follows the logical (for them) approach,of using any means possible,to advance their ideas.Misquoting or distorting sources,overt or covert coercion,the use of governments and their laws,and outright force have all been used at one time or another by christian evangelists in the past,and are also used today against the competing scientific ideas.

The fact that,unlike a rival religion,science actually can describe the world far better than their myth-system,only makes it more dangerous,in their view.

Note,I am referring to the fundamentalist religious types.Liberal christian types,with no desire to convert others,and a general willingness to live with other faiths are not the subject,here.Those types tend to be far more open to science,or,if not,adopt a live and let live policy.


Here's a few sites I've been looking at.

The rejection of Pascal's Wager

This one's an islamic site that describes what christian missionaries do there.There are similar Jewish sites as well.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Pol...deception.html

One thing I found interesting was the Panare Killed Jesus Christ, Because They Were Wicked.Not an unusual thing,but nevertheless one example of some pretty deceptive christian practices.

Albion

Yes, the BBC boards have separate boards for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Paganism, and Eastern religions, and all the others have had problems with Christians turning up to evangelise and try and convert. Last year some of the long-term pagans returned the conpliment on the Christian board, and the regualrs were not amused. Apparently this can only go one way as far as the missionaries are concerned. They come to the BBC science boards quoting scripture and doing the "why not try Jesus?" stuff too, despite the board prohibitions. Pity the mods aren't stopping it, but that's another story.

Certainly seems that way.

For an example of the triumph of style over substance, it certainly takes some beating. Lying for Jesus in the cause of indoctrinating people into a religion where not bearing false witness is supposed to be important.