Cojana

I have heard that the same hallucination can not be seen by two people, how true that are,is disputable, my phenomena can not be fully conprehended by anyone, unless the same has occurred to individual,, at 17 I had my first hits of pot ever, the effect was burdomsom, I was looking at a movie on tv,about a guy about to be electricuted,he didn't want to go,was fighting tooth and nail. I begun to feel what the guy was acting out, it was a horrible feeling, I had to get out of the apartment to shake the feeling off,as I was nearing the end of the hall,I felt faint,I held onto the bathroom door, I let go, I fell by the side of the toilet bowl, as I looked up,I realized I was looking down at me looking up at me,simulteneously,I was split into two physical bodies, with the same mind in both, it lasted about 5 or 6 seconds, just enough time to sahocxk me, 'What the fuch'!!' was my reaction from both ends,both of them me. I felt like I was God, awesome,! just awesome,!!!

Paintballislife

dude i hate to tell u this but, there was something else in that pot....

Cojana

Member ballsof fire, I mentioned that comprehention to my phenomena was inconcievable, you didn't even concieve of what I hallucinated,just went nilly nilly into your assumption of a stronger drug inducement, member ballsof fire, I would take any drug, no matter what it were, to duplicate my hallucination, use your imagination, split yourself into two physical bodies, leave your mind in both, now just stare at yourself,starring at yourself, thats all,!! impossible? yup. for you,and everyone, it happened to me,..How are errevelent, but I wish I knew so that I can do it again,.!!

Gurdur

Actually, I've had exactly the same type of hallucination myself --- but without any drugs.

In my case, it was very hard work and low oxygen.

There is a certain kind of meditation exercise which almost fully guarantees you this type of hallucination ---- but I don't really recommend it, since disassociative exercise are not necessarily good for you.

Cojana

Member Gurdur, I'm sorry dear Sir, but your subtlery and nonchalunt answer forces me to doubt your sincerity of your remarks, I'll just assume you don't believe me, your answer are at the edge of patronizing me, you also diminish my phenamena,by your careless description of comparison, yours to mine, no fuching way,!!! Sir,!!

Gurdur

uh ?
I was being very precise. Neither subtle nor nonchalant.
I've also done the disassociative meditation exercises I spoke of, but like I said, they're not very recommendable, IMHO, for most people, since disassociation can be dangerous to those none too well intergrated. Plus they're a bore after a while.
Your loss, not mine.
eh ?

Which part am I supposed not to believe ?No, if I had wanted to do that, I probably would have thrown in a couple of smilies.
uh huh. Strange.
May I suggest if you don't like having this phenomena analysed and commented upon, it is just perhaps a trifle ....... counterproductive to post about it on a forum dedicated to sceptical analysis ?

Cojana

member Gurdur, I know what forum I've printed my incident,I don't mind honest skeptocycism, its the I know what transpired attitude I object to, by your remarks about boredom in association with my phenomena,tells me you are a previnicus prefabricator, your reply to my print are just so much ego from your part, your cynacysim are just plain mean,whats next? my spelling? or sentance construction? there's quite a bit for you to drink hearty on my ignorance, but no matter, I've seen what you'll never see, yourself looking at yourself,...

Elvithriel

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ps418

Dear member Cajones, the experience you describe is fairly common, although very rare with cannabis. For instance, I remember army ranger Michael Durant describing the same phenomenon when he was siezed by a mob of Somalis, except that he percieved himself above his body looking down at it rather than experiencing a 'dual consciousness.' Similar experiences are also common with the dissociative anaethestic ketamine, siezures with temporal lobe foci, and have been also reported with direct stimulation of the right angular gyrus (Blanke et al, 2002). I'm sure your experience was powerful for you, just as mine were for me, but I don't think for a second that it was not an illusory perception.

Blanke, O., Ortigue, S., Landis, T., Seeck, M. Stimulating illusory own-body perceptions. Nature, 419, 269 - 270, (2002).

Patrick

Gurdur

Most certainly not !

I am shocked - shocked ! -- to see previnicusness been tossed around here !