VonEvilstein

And that tells me everything I need to know to understand your position.

Corona688

At the same time bombs were falling on Afghanistan, someone certainly farted somewhere in the United States. Therefore bean burritos should be banned, since they advance the cause of US aggression. Remember, there are no coincidences. :banghead:

And yes, that was sarcasm.

Seraphim

by Lobstrosity

He's commenting on the fact that you don't that coincidences can happen randomly. Seeing a yellow car while owning a yellow screwdriver is a coincidence. According to your beliefs, this was clearly not a random occurance. Here, allow me to make an argument for why coincidences cleary can be the product of purely random chance:

First of all, it should be echidna who supposed to be telling me all this crap, not you ... unless you end up as his lawyer or somekind of lapdog for him.

Second of all, I never claimed anything. He asked a stupid question and I had entertained that stupid question with a stupid answer. If the two of you want to make some sort of stupid reveation out of it, fine by me.

Thirdly, WHAT the hell do you mean by "According to your beliefs?" Since when did I said anything about my belief in any statements I had used here? Don't make your own assumptions.

First let us assert that the flip of a given penny is completely random. If you sit there and flip the penny a billion times, you will find that approximately half the time (500,000,000) you will get heads whereas the rest you will get tails. Also, each result is wholly independent of every other result. It's a random process. Nothing mysical is governing what side of the coin will be face-up.

Now, take ten pennies and toss them into the air. What are the chances that they will all be heads when you look? Well, mathematically this is easy to figure out: there is only one way for them to be all heads out of a total of 2^10 possible configurations, which means your probability of getting all heads through pure random luck is 1/1024. So what does this mean? Well, if you and 1023 friends all get together and each of you throws a fist-full of ten pennies in the air, it is likely that at least one of you will get all heads. Now getting all heads is an amazing coincidence, but clearly random chance allows it to happen. Random chance says it will happen every so often. "Coincidences" will happen in a world governed by random processes, for they are just defined as outcomes with low (but not zero!) probability. So if you see a coincidence, I know you're tempted to think something mystical must be at work, but ask yourself why this is. Why must something mystical be at work when that very outcome is expected out of sheer random chance? How can you say with any confidence that it wasn't random?

My reply : What mathematical theory do you use to calculate possible outcomes when dealing with humans? How do you calculate possibilities when it deals with emotions?

IF you cannot answer that OR don't understand what I meant by that question, then get lost ... You WILL never come close to understanding the basic of all this.

By echidna

Neat trick, Lob. That might take Seraphim a while.

My sarcasm : Have you taught him how to roll and play dead too? What dog biskut you use?

By VonEvilstein

And that tells me everything I need to know to understand your position.

My reply : Which position is that? What do you wish to understand?

By Corona688

At the same time bombs were falling on Afghanistan, someone certainly farted somewhere in the United States. Therefore bean burritos should be banned, since they advance the cause of US aggression. Remember, there are no coincidences.

And yes, that was sarcasm.

To : Jennifer D, do you still remember when I said that people will call others with such abilities (like my friend) a freak? Well ... here's some of those examples of name calling and riddicules ... Thank God my friend is not here to see all this.

Nothing is change ... some humans is still an ape not matter what computer it learn to use. Yes, Sarcasm as well.

Shadowy Man

That's not relevant, because you stated in a previous post that you didn't believe in any coincidences. This would cover coin flips as well as human emotions.

Do you honestly believe that there is no such thing as coincidence at all? That every action that happens, that everything that happens near or next to any other thing has some greater purpose? If I meet someone who happens to have the same birthday as I do, that that was planned for some reason? That if I flip a coin four times in a row and get heads each time that that is an omen indicating something special?

I can understand how some people might believe that certain things seem so unlikely as to not be coincidental, but I'm surprised to hear anyone say that they believe there is no such thing as coincidence at all.

Seraphim

By Shadowy Man

That's not relevant, because you stated in a previous post that you didn't believe in any coincidences. This would cover coin flips as well as human emotions.

My reply : Says you ... why don't you show me some example of outcome when you "flip" emotions.

Do you honestly believe that there is no such thing as coincidence at all? That every action that happens, that everything that happens near or next to any other thing has some greater purpose? If I meet someone who happens to have the same birthday as I do, that that was planned for some reason? That if I flip a coin four times in a row and get heads each time that that is an omen indicating something special?

I can understand how some people might believe that certain things seem so unlikely as to not be coincidental, but I'm surprised to hear anyone say that they believe there is no such thing as coincidence at all.

My reply : What should it matter what I think? When Jennifer D said that she believes in coincidence, I don't remember making a big fuss about the probability of such thing happening (in mathematical terms) with her. Her views, her opinion and since I was looking for opinions, I accepted hers.

Now, my views and my opinions ... your choice whether you accept or not. One thing for sure, I don't lose anything by debating or not with you.

Mad Kally

Seraphim,
When you get an MRI, be sure you are wearing a big metal belt buckle..

Viti

Seraphim, you said

Lobstrosity was responding to this statement using the coin flipping, then you get angry. So do you wish to qualify your above statement or do you want to apologize? Sorry, but your response was rude and pissed me off.

Now, as far as I am concerned, unless someone can demonstrate psychic abilities on demand in a double blind type of set up, I will continue to believe they don't exist.

Seraphim

By Mad Kally

Seraphim,
When you get an MRI, be sure you are wearing a big metal belt buckle..

Sure ... and when I'll go to hell, I also will tell one of the demons down there that there is a vacany in a person's head on the Planet and it can come through the TV cable because the person is expecting the TV to be talking back to her.

By LadyShea

Seraphim, you said

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My reply : O_o Coincidence? Oh Ok ... but for your information, I don't believe in any coincidence happening in anything.
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Lobstrosity was responding to this statement using the coin flipping, then you get angry. So do you wish to qualify your above statement or do you want to apologize? Sorry, but your response was rude and pissed me off.

Now, as far as I am concerned, unless someone can demonstrate psychic abilities on demand in a double blind type of set up, I will continue to believe they don't exist.

My reply : Correction lady, I asked Lobstrosity to show me this "flip of the coin" trick with human emotions. He thinks such things with emotions is as easy as predicting several coins droppings, fine ... let him show the possibilities when dealing with human emotions.

Here's my statement :

1. I'm still waiting for him (Lobstrosity) to show me possibilities which he can get when dealing with emotions (that coin flipping trick he mentioned).

2. IF what I said to Lobstrosity is something which upsets HIM, it is him who should come here and demand apologize ... not you. And I don't deal with multinicks either. In another word, its none of your business, lady.

3. If you think it doesn't exist, FINE. That is your opinion and I will accept it. Just like I accepted Jeniffer D's statement that she believe in coincidence. If you don't believe in psychic powers, that's your choice. If I do believe in it and I don't believe in coincidence, that's my choice. WHY should I bother myself in apoligizing to someone else just because he don't accept it?

echidna

1. I just notice a yellow car & a yellow screwdriver. No spooky feeling. Is the yellowness a coincidence ?
2. The car and the screwdriver are both made from metal and plastic. Is this a coincidence ?
3. Car and screwdriver both contain the letters "r" and "c". Is this a coincidence ?
4. My brother in law also owns a car and a screwdriver. Is this a coincidence ?
5. My daughter owns neither. Is this a coincidence ?
6. I don't know the Swahili words for car or screwdriver. Is this a coincidence ?

What eerie force links together all of these spooky simliarities ?

Viti

It is my business because this is a public forum and I have been reading this thread. You seem to me to keep moving the goal post...one minute you say there are NO coincidences, the next you say there are no coincidences when human emotions are involved or something (still don't know what you mean). You also did this to me several months ago in a discussion about energy, and you have not learned to stop this.

All humans are capable of the same emotions

Anger
Happiness
Sadness
Boredom
etc

and of course all of them run a spectrum of intensity.

Humans also convey emotions in a multitude of physical ways, facial expression, body posture, voice tone, etc. Some people are very good at "reading" these cues and can appear psychic...it's called cold reading.

Also, we have a startling number of common events...I predict someone on this board will be involved in a car accident this month, I predict someone on this board will become a parent this year, I predict someone on this board will have a fight with their significant other tomorow...and on and on. I am not psychic, I am basing predictions on the probabilities that arise out of the shared human experience.

I wish your example of mothers having psychic powers were true...because I also predict a child will be murdered in the United States this week, a child will be kidnapped this month, a child will walk into the street and be killed by a car tomorrow...