slept2long

Ditto. I'll look for info on why that is because I remember reading in High Times that the tobacco smoke is better recieved than cannabis smoke in the lungs.

Marduk

I see Canada is considering legalizing the mighty weed and the Bushy Administration is all in a tizzy, tsk tsk tsk!

B34RZ0R

I am no longer a 'head' I used to do the wake and bake-lunchand bake-workand bake- supper and bake- you get my idea... but the fact that our loverly Gubament has decided to make nature illegal is hillarious.. if they grew it cultivated it and sold it they would realize that it could be a great source of income for our country.. one that really needs a boost right now! I think it should be legislated some what like alcohol and you can tax the shit out of it! Get the Goverment out of our pockets(income tax), that should be our first goal! If it was available at the local liquor store.. there would be no need to "have a dealer". Not to mention the fact that we could free up some space in the prisons for all the hippies that got busted slangin a little grass to get thier weed free!
"The war on drugs is a war on personal freedom"
Bill Hicks

Be Well
*Bear*

Lord Asriel

Bear - now that you have quoted Bill Hicks, you are my friend for life.

As far as the legalisation issue goes (which isn't on topic for this thread, so I won't labour the point) I think a quote from Germaine Greer pretty much sums it up.

"If cannabis is ever to be legalized, it'll be for the benefit of the government, not the people"

[Edited because "sums" looks so much better than "somes"]

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ps418

I have not read the paper itself, only the abstract. The data were collected in face-to-face interviews, but I do not know if the interviewers relied simply on self-reporting by the subjects, or if they asked the subjects specifically "Did you experience symptoms A, B, C. . .?"

However, as far as I am aware, neither numbness nor feeling 'spaced' [apathetic?] has not been associated with cessation of marijuana use. Of course, these symptoms are associated with the high itself, especially in high-dose users who use daily (e.g. chronic intoxication syndrome). In addition to nervousness and sleep disturbance, the next most common withdrawal 'symptom' reported in Wiesbeck et al's sample was appetite change.

Patrick

ps418

Actually, cannabis smoke is pretty bad on the lungs and respiratory system. The risk can be greatly reduced by moderating consumption, and also by smoking through a water filter, which removes particulates in the smoke. And of course, the lifetime 'dose' of cannabis smoke in most cannabis smokers is much, much lower than the lifetime 'dose' of tobacco smoke for tobacco smokers. If you smoke either cannabis or tobacco regularly, you are greatly increasing your risk of developing lung disease. If you smoke both, the risk is even greater.

According to Kalant (2000), <a href="http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/Com-e/ille-e/presentation-e/kalant-e.htm" target="_blank">MEDICINAL USE OF CANNABIS: HISTORY AND CURRENT STATUS</a>:

See also:

<a href="http://www.nzdf.org.nz/update/messages/1900.htm" target="_blank">Cannabis, tobacco both bad for lungs - study </a>

crab juice

<a href="http://www.aromazap.com/vapor.html" target="_blank">That's why you need a vaporizer.</a>

Barney Gumble

Have you actually tried this CJ? I've done the poor-mans vapo with a blender bottle over a frying pan, and it did work, although with joints at the disposal my gf & I didn't really stick with it. I've been looking for a more "subtle" vapo device for some time now, the early contraptions had a rube goldberg-style appearance, not to mention unknown sources. This site at least appears to be rather legit.

I've only been doing cannabis for about a year (took long, serious tokes for the first time at age 30), there was a point over a span of 3 months where I was doing it 5-6 nights a week, and two joints on some nights, although usually it was one lid of a small pipe. A few weeks ago, I had a couple of joints, with basically zero effect - a big red flag that to me, indicating that I needed to take a break. That, my paranoia about lung cancer (I hate to smoke, it's a means to an end), and especially the weight gain from uncontrollable munchies now has it reserved for the weekend, or very rare weekday evening occasions. Never done it during the day, always past 9-10pm, just get too zonked on it and I like to be alert as possible during the daylight hours.

I too had heard that the more you do, the more stoned you get - not in my experience.

As for downsides after quitting, not much really. There are some times when I'm tempted after having a stressful day, but "craving" would be a definite overstatement - a nice book and a glass of wine is enough, if that at all. However, I'm not sure if I would be a viable candidate for any cessation side-effects study, as I simply haven't been doing it that long, nor in great quantities even during that period of "heavy" use.

The upside of course, is that after waiting an average of 5-7 days before doing it again, the high is back, in a big way. Had trouble keeping my balance Saturday night at times.

ps418

Interesting. I found some discouraging information on vaporizers. The theoretical advantage of the vaporizer is that it can heat the cannabis to a temperature high enough (~160C) to vaporize the THC, but too low to produce the carcinogens created by combustion, such as benzene and toluene. Apparently the vaporizers that are on the market are not too good. From what I can find on the internet, existing vaporizers have little or any real advantage in terms of purity of smoke (THC/tar ratio) or in terms of efficiency (THC transfer rate).

According to a study of 7 devices, including 2 vaporizers, reported on <a href="http://www.ukcia.org/research/pipes.htm" target="_blank">this page,</a> vaporizers do produce the highest ratio of total cannabinoids/tar, followed by joints and then (surprisingly) waterpipes. However, the smoke produced by vaporizers (the ones that were tested) had a 30% higher cannabidinol/THC ratio compared to normal comuction methods, and "since CBN is not psychoactive like THC, recreational users might be expected to consume more smoke to make up for the deficit."


That's not very promising! And what's worth, the studied vaporizers were not very efficient either. The best THC transfer rate was a small waterpipe, followed by unfiltered joints, followed by bongs, followed by the vaporizers and an electric waterpipe.

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sweep

Barney: try eating hashish with some porridge or yogurt. I would suggest doing weed in a frying pan wiht butter but that can be wasteful and It is difficult to get the full benefits from weed this way.

One of the best things about eating is that you won't damage your lungs. Another good thing about it is that you won't be breathing in any monoxides, which destroy brain cells and add up to a cloudy high. Since eating, after nearly ten years of consumption, and in direct comparison with smoking, eating hashish is very clean, very nice, and no lung throat paranoia. Also you won't suffer smoky breath, that is if you have a partner, which could be a turn off.