hinduwoman

Deep hostility to idolators, I noticed that.

Perhaps these peaceful muslims can tell me what a Hindu's condition would be in an Islamic state.

Walter_Mitty

Before you say it...

Yes, yes, I know that unlike the Bible, which is alleged to be "inspired" (hence all the mistakes), the Quaran is alleged to have been delivered directly to Muhammad via God. I also know there's six major schools pertaining to Islam with little wiggle room in regards to the Quranic interpretation.

That being said, my 3 questions still stand.

ansarthemystic

perhaps Allah needs an editor?

Goddidit!

peace and blessings

ansarthemystic

Saying that there is a preference for the male gender pronoun is pure speculation. What if the female gender were used! Does it really matter? The fact that you know that Arabic has no neuter pronoun really should answer your question for you.

YOU WROTE:You gotta be kidding! More than half the Qur'an is full of Allah telling mankind how great he is, how they must obey him, how he is saree' ul-hisaab (fast to reckon) and shadeed ul-iqaab (mighty in punishment). The Qur'an is a grand monument to Allah's puffed-up ego!

You are assuming that Allah(SWT) would not speak about its greatness if the female gender pronoum was used instead. Again, pure speculation. Whether Allah(SWT) is female or not does not take away from its greatness, or its expounding on its gratness. Although it may sound like a logical contradiction, Allah(SWT) is neither male or female, yet BOTH male and female. Therefore I use the word "it". You also forget that the ancients used "he" to mean male and female, and that "men" was used to mean Man and WO-man. They knew that Allah(SWT) had no physical gender. Personally I prefer "Shim" instead of "him" but that's another story in itself.

YOU WROTE:I do not believe in gods except as symbols for the holy All (=Nature).

g-ds are a symbol for nature,I agree, but we take it further, Nature is not All, but appears to be in Man's limited perception.

YOU WROTE:At least those gods and goddesses didn't demand jihad against infidels and veiling women and smashing statues and all that sick-brained stuff that's characteristic of Islam now. Pagans and atheists know how to live and let live with each other. The trouble begins when monotheism arrives.

ALLAH(SWT) DOES NOT demand Jihad, in your understanding of it,but does allow mankind his earthly role in eliminating corruption and evil in the earth. Is there something wrong with the idea that it is the human's responsibility to eliminate corruption and evil in the earth? Allah does not demand veiling of women, in fact veiling was a pagan practice adopted by Jews and early christians. Allah does demand hijab for women, but you don't understand it. And what's wrong with Allah(SWT) telling Muhammad(SAW) to smash idols? An idol can not Help you in anything, and eventually the keeping of idols will distract people from Allah(SWT) as they continually believe and worship a MATERIAL representation of Allah(SWT).

peace and blessings

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ansarthemystic

Hello again, the only man who has argued logically with me so far.

You assume to much though. You insist that I have been confronted with quranic corruption, yet the fact still remains that the arabic quranic is exactly the same in every copy. When we talk about mistranslations, it is once again the worlk of men b/c the corruption is not in the Arabic quran. Once again, for the person who wants examples of goddidit syndrome, look at bibliophile's questions:

1) Being omniscient, why did Allah not foresee yet another debacle in relation to his "divine revelation"?

2) Being omnipotent, why did Allah not create one text from the very beginning that is uniformly followed among Muslims?

3) What evidence do you have that Allah makes no mistakes?

When I explained the difference between blaming g=d and individual action, and the difference between free will and free choice you didn't even pretend to understand it and yet you come up with these three questions that can be answered by individul action, and the purelly EMOTIONAL response of atheists who want g-d, if he exists, to solve ALL of the universe's problems.

Proof that Allah(SWT) makes np mistakes, they are numerous but we can start with existence itself, unless of course you believe that that too is just an accident?

peace and blessings

ansarthemystic

The condition of anyone in an ideal Muslim state would be one of total freedom. If you believe that there is actually in existence right NOW, OR EVER WAS, an Islamic state instead of an Islamist one, then you have no idea what Islam is /shrugs/

peace and blessings

ansarthemystic

no they don't!

As far as there being six schools with liitle room for interpretation, you are once agin wrong, The volumes of tafseer books(SUNNIS) and fatwas issued by clerics(SHIA) are evidence that Islam does allow interpretation, but is our(muslims) job to fix our house first so to speak.

There is only one interpretation of the Qur'an.



peace and blessings

hinduwoman

This is what I always hear --- there is no perfect Islamic state. Well did Muhammad who declared idolators to be unclean create the perfect Islamic state?

also will this freedom include freedom for Hindus to evangelize about their religion and muslims to convert to hinduism?

ansarthemystic

I THINK THE FREEDOM IS TOTAL. If muslims deny hindus the right to preacg hinduism, then they are afraid of losing their faith. And no Muhammad(SAW) did not see a perfect islamic state, he died before that.

I leave you with "la ikraha fi d-dini" which means there is no compulsion[for you]in your religion. (words in parentheses are my own)

peace and blessings

Corona688

That is sarcasm, pretty obvious sarcasm too, imho. It's used alot here; you should learn how to recognize it.

He's not blaming Allah, or saying he believes he exists, he's saying that Allah's supposed perfectness is not in alignment with reality.