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tgamble · 03-02-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by John Solum:


I just bought a copy of this on eBay a couple of months ago.

If you paid more than 2 cents, you were robbed.

ex-robot · 03-02-2002, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich:
He clearly ignored all the pagan Greek and Roman scientists who came before, like Aristotle and Euclid and Ptolemy and so forth. Also, questioning the Bible could have landed one in deep doo-doo a few centuries ago -- look at what happened to Copernicus and Galileo. Copernicus was careful to state that heliocentrism was not much more than wild speculation, but that did not save him from the wrath of the theologians. And compared to Galileo, he was very cautious.

So shall we give ourselves some old-time religion and convert to Hellenic paganism?

LP, I've always wondered about this. I know the catholic church specifically had much wrath for Galileo, but who were the theologians other than catholic against Copernicus and Galileo? thanks

xr

lpetrich · 03-02-2002, 03:54 PM

Martin Luther, the original Protestant, on Copernicus:

People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon. Whoever wishes to appear clever must devise some new system, which of all systems is, of course, the very best. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy, but sacred Scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth. [Joshua 10:13]

John Calvin, another notable early Protestant, quoted Psalms 93:1: "... the Earth is firmly established, it will not be moved".

For more, see <a href="http://www.geocentricity.com" target="_blank">http://www.geocentricity.com</a>

If the theologians had confined themselves to laughing their heads off (metaphorically, of course), they would not have been much trouble, but...

[ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]

ex-robot · 03-02-2002, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich:
Martin Luther, the original Protestant, on Copernicus:

People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon. Whoever wishes to appear clever must devise some new system, which of all systems is, of course, the very best. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy, but sacred Scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth. [Joshua 10:13]

John Calvin, another notable early Protestant, quoted Psalms 93:1: "... the Earth is firmly established, it will not be moved".

For more, see <a href="http://www.geocentricity.com" target="_blank">http://www.geocentricity.com</a>

If the theologians had confined themselves to laughing their heads off (metaphorically, of course), they would not have been much trouble, but...

[ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]

Thanks for the info.

xr

Jimmy Higgins · 03-02-2002, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Pompous Bastard:
Dirt + Water + time = life

Of course this is wrong. We all know it is

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dirt + god = life

The Resistance · 03-02-2002, 08:02 PM

so water plus time equals God?

Edwin · 03-03-2002, 03:40 AM

But god lives outside of time so water=god

BLoggins02 · 03-03-2002, 05:53 AM

Exerpt from the biblical astronomer's creed on <a href="http://www.geocentricity.com" target="_blank">www.geocentricity.com</a>

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We believe that the creation was completed in six twenty-four hour days and that the world is not older than about six thousand years. We maintain that the Bible teaches us of an earth that neither rotates daily nor revolves yearly about the sun; that it is at rest with respect to the throne of him who called it into existence; and that hence it is absolutely at rest in the universe.

WOW!

This guy is loony! Of course if he'd have just stopped at "We believe the creation was completed in six twenty-four hour days and that the world is not older than about six thousand years." I would have still thought he was a loony

Kevin Dorner · 03-03-2002, 07:11 AM

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Originally posted by BLoggins02:
We maintain that the Bible teaches us of an earth that neither rotates daily nor revolves yearly about the sun; that it is at rest with respect to the throne of him who called it into existence; and that hence it is absolutely at rest in the universe.

I wonder what farcical ad hoc explanation they have for the behaviour of a Foucault pendulum. Sigh...

03-03-2002, 07:13 AM

I'm amazed by this bit:

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In his book, Darwin reasoned from theory to facts, and provided little evidence for what he had to say. Modern evolutionists are ashamed of the book, with its ridiculous arguments.

Darwin collected evidence for years before publishing. Although, quite naturally, not every detail of his work still holds up after a century and a half, I have never come across any serious biologist who doesn't respect what he did.

This guy's problem seems to be that he can't distinguish between science, where even the work of the most eminent has to stand or fall by its own merits, and argument from authority. Just because someone we may in general respect held a particular opinion several hundred
years ago doesn't mean that they were therefore either right or wrong on everything.

Even the mediaeval church was more sophisticated than that in taking on board a lot of the thinking of the pagan Aristotle.

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lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Martin Luther, the original Protestant, on Copernicus: People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon. Whoever wishes to appear clever must devise some new system, which of all systems is, of course, the very best. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy, but sacred Scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth. [Joshua 10:13] John Calvin, another notable early Protestant, quoted Psalms 93:1: "... the Earth is firmly established, it will not be moved". For more, see <a href="http://www.geocentricity.com" target="_blank">http://www.geocentricity.com</a> If the theologians had confined themselves to laughing their heads off (metaphorically, of course), they would not have been much trouble, but... [ March 02, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]</p>

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