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King Arthur · 08-08-2002, 07:03 PM

Though I have already pulled the metaphorical sword from the stone in the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000437" target="_blank">Serious Questions for King Arthur</a> thread, I still get a lot of flack due to my personality.

I presented my own challenge in the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000450" target="_blank">King Arthur's Challenge</a> thread to those who doubted me and, behold, my worst critics couldn't stand up to the challenge. Kudos to those, however, who did take the time (or had already taken the time) to study a little bit more than the average Joe (even though they never fully answered the challenge - though that was probably because they didn't want to lavish that kind of praise upon me

). They will be the moderates and the respectable atheists with reasonable and middle-of-the-road, mostly non-offensive positions on issues. Respectable atheists who can get along with theists and are not threatened by their world-views but live in relative harmony with them.

Since there are still those who doubt my abilities, I'd like to provide one more challenge. It will prove relatively difficult for most, but probably well worth the time spent investigating.

I enjoy perusing scholarly websites. I was recently visiting <a href="http://www.kchanson.com/" target="_blank">K.C. Hanson's excellent website</a> and stumbled upon an error. It was really rather obvious, but I had my colleague look at it. We both agreed that there was an error. Neither one of us has had the time, however, to check Hanson's source to see exactly who made the error. Perhaps someone else will be able to find the source in a library and provide that answer.

K.C. Hanson has an error on his <a href="http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/elkerak.html" target="_blank">El Kerak Inscription</a> subpage. Your challenge, should you accept it, is to find and understand the error, then report it here. The person who actually finds K.C. Hanson's source and determines whether the error was Hanson's or the source's will be rewarded by that much more self-satisfaction.

I have not made this mistake known to Hanson. I have no idea if my colleague has mailed him. If you find it, perhaps you might give him a ring and let him know. He might be interested enough to change it. Who knows...

Finally, for everyone who reads this, I am putting on an intentionally abrasive attitude. So don't get too offended by me (if you do at all since some seem to have chosen to "ignore" me even though they respond to tell me so). It is a relief from the stresses of work and somewhat amusing to me as well.

I intend to make people think and to look a little deeper than they normally would. Don't just read a popular book on a subject, read the books in the footnotes. Learn more about the real scholars and issues on a particular subject.

So, when I call your ideas silly or stupid, or call you a nutcase for believing as you do, look a little deeper. Perhaps I am only playing the fool. Perhaps, like Hamlet, I really know what I'm talking about. Or perhaps I am a fool. You judge.

Steven Carr · 08-08-2002, 11:21 PM

I still think finding a Greek lexicon where 'ekstasin' is translated 'trouble' is more of a challenge.

Or finding where Bart Ehrman claims to be an atheist. It would be nice to have such a respected scholar avowing the cause of atheism. Still, I can dream.

King Arthur · 08-09-2002, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steven Carr:
I still think finding a Greek lexicon where 'ekstasin' is translated 'trouble' is more of a challenge.

Doesn't matter whether a lexicon says it. I've tried to explain this to you. I don't expect you to get it because you don't actually translate Greek.

Quote:

Or finding where Bart Ehrman claims to be an atheist. It would be nice to have such a respected scholar avowing the cause of atheism. Still, I can dream.

Email him yourself.

Kosh · 08-09-2002, 05:17 AM

Or, rather than playing childish little ego games, you could come clean and reveal some information about the credentials you've hinted at? So far, you're just doing what most insecure people do... brag... ALOT.

See ya later Bede.

King Arthur · 08-09-2002, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kosh:
Or, rather than playing childish little ego games, you could come clean and reveal some information about the credentials you've hinted at? So far, you're just doing what most insecure people do... brag... ALOT.

See ya later Bede.

It's fun to brag when you've got it!

I don't exactly see people jumping to answer my questions.

Oh yeah...

AND I AM NOT BEDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ August 09, 2002: Message edited by: King Arthur ]

King Arthur · 08-09-2002, 05:49 AM

K.C. Hanson has an error on his <a href="http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/elkerak.html" target="_blank">El Kerak Inscription</a> subpage. Your challenge, should you accept it, is to find and understand the error, then report it here. The person who actually finds K.C. Hanson's source and determines whether the error was Hanson's or the source's will be rewarded by that much more self-satisfaction. Feel free to use the internet, but I don't think you'll find anything because as far as I know, my friend and I are the only ones who know about it.

Fine. Perhaps a hint is in order.

It is necessary to use the picture.

[ August 09, 2002: Message edited by: King Arthur ]

Kosh · 08-09-2002, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by King Arthur:

Fine. Perhaps a hint is in order.

It is necessary to use the picture.

How about:

1. Undergrad degree and institution
2. Graduate degree(s) and institution(s)
3. publications you've been published in

King Arthur · 08-09-2002, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kosh:


How about:

1. Undergrad degree and institution
2. Graduate degree(s) and institution(s)
3. publications you've been published in

Pffffft... And my credentials would matter how much to people here? My credentials would be believed by whom anyway? I thought displays of knowledge were more important than credentials to many here who disparage scholars that disagree with their own uninformed opinions.

See, the problem is that if you don't have the knowledge, it's hard to recognize when someone is correct. I could tell everyone the answer to my challenge, but I'm not sure how many would even believe me because they don't have the necessary knowledge.

King Arthur · 08-09-2002, 12:43 PM

Is anyone planning to take the challenge? Is it too hard? If no one will take the challenge because it is too hard, then I can give periodic hints to baby-step anyone who is interested along. However, I don't want to spoil it and make it too easy for someone who might not want the hint. Let me know, otherwise, I'll start giving maybe a hint a day (unless there is another suggestion). I can't ultimately solve it for everyone though, so if no one cares, then it will just sit out there as a testament to the ignorance found here in this forum.

lcb · 08-09-2002, 02:55 PM

hey King, looks like no one here wants to take your challenge. I am a historian (earned doctorate and post-doctorate work) and many folks here summarily and arrogantly dismissed my conclusions as to research concerning the fulfilled Israel restoration prophecies...maybe the atheists here aren't as smart as they think they are (they sure are smug though)..signed.. a new convert to the "superstitious idiot" club!

08-08-2002, 07:03 PM	#1
King Arthur Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Camelot Posts: 290	King Arthur's Challenge II Though I have already pulled the metaphorical sword from the stone in the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000437" target="_blank">Serious Questions for King Arthur</a> thread, I still get a lot of flack due to my personality. I presented my own challenge in the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000450" target="_blank">King Arthur's Challenge</a> thread to those who doubted me and, behold, my worst critics couldn't stand up to the challenge. Kudos to those, however, who did take the time (or had already taken the time) to study a little bit more than the average Joe (even though they never fully answered the challenge - though that was probably because they didn't want to lavish that kind of praise upon me ). They will be the moderates and the respectable atheists with reasonable and middle-of-the-road, mostly non-offensive positions on issues. Respectable atheists who can get along with theists and are not threatened by their world-views but live in relative harmony with them. Since there are still those who doubt my abilities, I'd like to provide one more challenge. It will prove relatively difficult for most, but probably well worth the time spent investigating. I enjoy perusing scholarly websites. I was recently visiting <a href="http://www.kchanson.com/" target="_blank">K.C. Hanson's excellent website</a> and stumbled upon an error. It was really rather obvious, but I had my colleague look at it. We both agreed that there was an error. Neither one of us has had the time, however, to check Hanson's source to see exactly who made the error. Perhaps someone else will be able to find the source in a library and provide that answer. K.C. Hanson has an error on his <a href="http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/elkerak.html" target="_blank">El Kerak Inscription</a> subpage. Your challenge, should you accept it, is to find and understand the error, then report it here. The person who actually finds K.C. Hanson's source and determines whether the error was Hanson's or the source's will be rewarded by that much more self-satisfaction. I have not made this mistake known to Hanson. I have no idea if my colleague has mailed him. If you find it, perhaps you might give him a ring and let him know. He might be interested enough to change it. Who knows... Finally, for everyone who reads this, I am putting on an intentionally abrasive attitude. So don't get too offended by me (if you do at all since some seem to have chosen to "ignore" me even though they respond to tell me so). It is a relief from the stresses of work and somewhat amusing to me as well. I intend to make people think and to look a little deeper than they normally would. Don't just read a popular book on a subject, read the books in the footnotes. Learn more about the real scholars and issues on a particular subject. So, when I call your ideas silly or stupid, or call you a nutcase for believing as you do, look a little deeper. Perhaps I am only playing the fool. Perhaps, like Hamlet, I really know what I'm talking about. Or perhaps I am a fool. You judge.

08-09-2002, 05:49 AM	#6
King Arthur Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Camelot Posts: 290	K.C. Hanson has an error on his <a href="http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/elkerak.html" target="_blank">El Kerak Inscription</a> subpage. Your challenge, should you accept it, is to find and understand the error, then report it here. The person who actually finds K.C. Hanson's source and determines whether the error was Hanson's or the source's will be rewarded by that much more self-satisfaction. Feel free to use the internet, but I don't think you'll find anything because as far as I know, my friend and I are the only ones who know about it. Fine. Perhaps a hint is in order. It is necessary to use the picture. [ August 09, 2002: Message edited by: King Arthur ]</p>

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08-08-2002, 11:21 PM	#2
Steven Carr Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: England Posts: 5,629	I still think finding a Greek lexicon where 'ekstasin' is translated 'trouble' is more of a challenge. Or finding where Bart Ehrman claims to be an atheist. It would be nice to have such a respected scholar avowing the cause of atheism. Still, I can dream.

08-09-2002, 05:17 AM	#4
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	Or, rather than playing childish little ego games, you could come clean and reveal some information about the credentials you've hinted at? So far, you're just doing what most insecure people do... brag... ALOT. See ya later Bede.

08-09-2002, 12:43 PM	#9
King Arthur Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Camelot Posts: 290	Is anyone planning to take the challenge? Is it too hard? If no one will take the challenge because it is too hard, then I can give periodic hints to baby-step anyone who is interested along. However, I don't want to spoil it and make it too easy for someone who might not want the hint. Let me know, otherwise, I'll start giving maybe a hint a day (unless there is another suggestion). I can't ultimately solve it for everyone though, so if no one cares, then it will just sit out there as a testament to the ignorance found here in this forum.

08-09-2002, 02:55 PM	#10
lcb Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: washington d.c. Posts: 224	hey King, looks like no one here wants to take your challenge. I am a historian (earned doctorate and post-doctorate work) and many folks here summarily and arrogantly dismissed my conclusions as to research concerning the fulfilled Israel restoration prophecies...maybe the atheists here aren't as smart as they think they are (they sure are smug though)..signed.. a new convert to the "superstitious idiot" club!

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