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Old 05-15-2003, 08:44 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Increasing numbers of Canadian non-theists

According to this article, None of the Above, the number of Canadians with no religion has increased dramatically over the last 20 years.
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Officials say Canadians who listed "No Religion" in the last headcount — atheists, agnostics, freethinkers and humanists — could reach 18 per cent of the population, placing Canada among the most secular societies in the industrialized world.


Just thought everyone could use some good news.
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W00t! I am not alone!
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Just for the record, the next Nutwatch features a Canadian website.
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Just for the record, the next Nutwatch features a Canadian website.
...Compared to how many Yankee sites?
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Officials say Canadians who listed "No Religion" in the last headcount — atheists, agnostics, freethinkers and humanists — could reach 18 per cent of the population, placing Canada among the most secular societies in the industrialized world.
only among mind you, they still have to catch up to us Aussies at 25.3% as of 2002
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Just for the record, the next Nutwatch features a Canadian website.
Heh, I only said I wasn't alone. Not that I wasn't still struggling.

Actually, I was reading in an article last year about the Raelians (still my all time favorites) that Quebec alone has something in the neighbourhood of 800 different religions. Those crazy pepsis!

I'll see if I can find the source...

And just when you thought things were getting better...
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Personally, I can't wait to see what happens when countries grow more "secular" while their Muslim populations grow rapidly. I'm suspect I would die laughing at the incivility were Muslims and atheists held the power in government instead of Christian liberals and conservatives.

Not sure where the good news is here, especially if the Muslim population is growing as rapidly as some atheists like to point out to me.

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Personally, I can't wait to see what happens when countries grow more "secular" while their Muslim populations grow rapidly. I'm suspect I would die laughing at the incivility were Muslims and atheists held the power in government instead of Christian liberals and conservatives.

Not sure where the good news is here, especially if the Muslim population is growing as rapidly as some atheists like to point out to me.

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Why Rad, are you afraid of Muslims? You certainly sound that way.

I've never met a Muslim that wasn't very nice and peaceful in nature. It's good news IMHO since mainstream Islam is more focused on peace. Now if there was a similar growth of radical, fundamentalist Islam here in N. America, then that would be something to worry about. I've also never had a Muslim try to push his religion on me. Can't say that about Xians.

I think there's an important point that's missed by many people who've seen the movie Dogma: beliefs, particularly religious ones can be quite dangerous. Please note my emphasis of the word, 'can'. In the dialogue between Bethany and Rufus, Rufus makes this very point, and in the end Bethany agrees to have an 'idea' not a belief.

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily an advocate of the end of religion, just rather in the attempt to homogenize and 'organize' it. Religion and religious beliefs are highly personal and thus very different. Look at how many different sects there are of Xianity alone! Islam and Judaism have not been immune from splintering into multiple sects either. Why is that? People are different, and have different needs.

What would I really like to see? More people actually taking a good look at their beliefs and examining how they fit with what they've been taught or learned, rather than going to a church and following what others tell them blindly just because it's tradition. I think a consequence of this would be a more secular world, but never truly free of religion, because that's how some people are. There might be a return to more spirituality vs. religion, which are not incompatible, but not don't need to be combined either.
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Only the ones who follow Muhammed's personal and consistent example of physical violence, and who get hold of WMD, as I'm sure you are. I'm afraid your question is based on false and gratuitous assumptions of what I feel and believe.

I find it incredibly ironic that a "fundy" American President is practically the only reason anything is done to prevent Muslims from forcibly taking over the world, and that said President finds himself impugned by those most sensitive to the danger, and who most often verbalize it. Meanwhile I find Bush incredibly tolerant of Saudi Arabia's penchant for teaching children that Jews and Christians are "pigs," in a Muslim country which is supposedly against Muslim terrorism. (Tim Russert had quite a conversation with an Arab Ambassador this morning, who admitted they have to quit doing that).

I'll be long gone when the Muslims and atheists are left alone to duke it out (a prediction based on the latter's own argumentative assertions)- so no, I don't worry. You younger folks might worry a little though.

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I've never met a Muslim that wasn't very nice and peaceful in nature. It's good news IMHO since mainstream Islam is more focused on peace. Now if there was a similar growth of radical, fundamentalist Islam here in N. America, then that would be something to worry about. I've also never had a Muslim try to push his religion on me. Can't say that about Xians.
I know how politically correct it is to limit your criticisms to Christians and say how wonderful Muslims treat you. The fact is that MAINSTREAM Christianity is well focused on peace, and I myself (considered a "fundy" here) have been and still am against the Iraq war, mostly because Muslims overseas will never really appreciate what we did, and will be happy to serve warlord's as they continue to do in Afghanistan. Some people simply cannot function except under tyranny.

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There might be a return to more spirituality vs. religion, which are not incompatible, but don't need to be combined either.
I totally agree. I don't even believe in building churches, based on how well Christianity did without them. Practically none of the great spiritual revivals ocurred within organized denominations, although the later less spiritual leaders of these movements busied themselves building permanent alters. Religious people who need symbols and external political power to feel in control are foolish IMO.

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Personally, I can't wait to see what happens when countries grow more "secular" while their Muslim populations grow rapidly.
Maybe I'm missing something here but it seems to me that Muslims are only interested in fighting with other religious fanatics. I see them attacking Hindus,Jews in the middle east and America which is still the most fanatical of all the so called Christian countries.

When have Muslims attacked more secular places like Canada,Amsterdam or Japan?
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