Magus55

From dictionary.com


\Cir"cle\ (s[~e]r"k'l), n. [OE. cercle, F. cercle, fr. L. circulus (Whence also AS. circul), dim. of circus circle, akin to Gr. kri`kos, ki`rkos, circle, ring. Cf. Circus, Circum-.] 1. A plane figure, bounded by a single curve line called its circumference, every part of which is equally distant from a point within it, called the center.

2. The line that bounds such a figure; a circumference; a ring.

3. (Astron.) An instrument of observation, the graduated limb of which consists of an entire circle.

Note: When it is fixed to a wall in an observatory, it is called a mural circle; when mounted with a telescope on an axis and in Y's, in the plane of the meridian, a meridian or transit circle; when involving the principle of reflection, like the sextant, a reflecting circle; and when that of repeating an angle several times continuously along the graduated limb, a repeating circle.

4. A round body; a sphere; an orb.

Guess we can also conclude that Nasa thinks our solar systems planets and other galaxies are flat since they refer to them as disks. But of course you wouldn't disagree with Nasa.

WTP: Saturn: Full Disk
Impact craters are visible records of the collision of cosmic debris. On Dione, the largest crater is less than 100 km (62 mi) in diameter and shows a well-developed central peak. The sinuous valleys may have formed when faults...
20 Jun 01

mike_decock

plane
1. Mathematics. A surface containing all the straight lines that connect any two points on it.
2. A flat or level surface.

By definition, a circle is flat. A sphere is not a circle.

-Mike...

Darth Dane

A sphere looks and resembles from a far enough distance a circle.

Metaphorical language. They problably didn't even have that word then, except in greece and then....





But getting back on topic I have found a new interpretation.


When Jesus ask why God has forsaken him, I think he meant the kingdom of God inside the humans around him.

The Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

God is Love John 4:7-8.


Jesus was talking to God who resides inside them, but they didn't have Love for Jesus. But God(the big one ) doesn't take away free will, and through Jesus God forgave all those who doesn't bring forth Love, because if they knew what they were doing they probably didn't harm Jesus, or your neighbor.






DD - Love & Laughter

mark9950

Do not read it.Simple as that.

Mageth

Magus:

From dictionary.com

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4. A round body; a sphere; an orb.

OK, so you can find a buried definition of uncommon usage on one particular (and questionable, IMO; I seldom if ever rely on it) online dictionary, dictionary.com. Look at Merriam-Webster's online, the Oxford Paperback online, the Wordsmyth English Dictionary-Thesaurus online, the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language online, and the Cambridge Dictionary online, and you will not see "sphere" equated with circle (except in some in the usage as "the people and activities of a defined social or professional context.")

Guess we can also conclude that Nasa thinks our solar systems planets and other galaxies are flat since they refer to them as disks. But of course you wouldn't disagree with Nasa.

Actually, NASA refers to planets as "planets" and galaxies as "galaxies." And most galaxies are disk-shaped, BTW.

You are really doing a lot of desparate fishing to try to support your position, aren't you? They don't refer to them as circles, do they?

And I would disagree with NASA if I thought they were wrong on something. (I worked there for 5 years (at JSC), BTW.)

WTP: Saturn: Full Disk
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Umm, OK. "Disk" is used in Astronomy to describe the seemingly flat figure of a celestial body <e.g. the solar or lunar disk>, for example when viewed through a telescope (or with the naked eye). This is useful, for example, when describing the moon - the full moon is a "full disk"; a half moon is a "half disk"; etc. In the case of Saturn, "full disk" would refer to the fact that the view of Saturn was such that its side illuminated by the Sun was fully visible from earth. (Again, they don't call it a circle.)

In any case, as I pointed out, the Hebrew chuwg {khoog} does not mean "sphere."

Secular Pinoy

I disagree with your critique of dictionary.com. It uses several reliable dictionaries as its source for definitions, such as the Webster's Dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary, and Merriam-Webster's. In the one cited by Magus, the source is Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Mageth

OK, you're right and I was wrong about dictionary.com. But all the other dictionaries I've looked at, including my desktop Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (10th edition) don't include "sphere" as a definition of circle. So it's quite uncommon at best, and the Hebrew word used does not mean sphere, so IMO it's quite a stretch for biblical apologists to say "But...circle means sphere!"

BTW, I went to dictionary.com and looked up circle and found Magus' definition 4. Interestingly, they included this example with it:

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth. --Is. xi. 22.

Hmm. Sounds like the dictionary writer kinda assumes the biblical writer is referring to a spherical earth.

Magus55

News for you Mageth. A galaxy is disk-shaped? The Earth is circular shaped. You can claim a sphere and circle have no similarities at all, but the Earth is circular and round. A galaxy may look like a disk, but its not a disk because a disk is flat. Using disk to describe it doesn't mean it is one, so why does circle have to mean flat? There is nothing in that verse that refers to a flat earth, in fact there is nothing in the Bible that refers to a flat Earth - you just choose to interpret it as such. Other places in the Bible refer to the Earth and imply sphere - the authors were not dumb. For such moron people you seem to think they are, they certaintly wrote the most poetic and complex writings on Earth, dwarfing even that of Shakespeare.

If the only thing you can conclude about Isaiah and "circle" is that they thought the Earth is flat, then Nasa is full of pretty foolish people , because a disk is flat too.

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
News for you Mageth. A galaxy is disk-shaped?

Yes. To be correct, in astronomy, "disk" in reference to a galaxy refers to the central plane, as distinguished from the halo or the nucleus. URL=http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Glossary/Glossary_D.html]Look here.[/URL]

If you look under "galaxy" on the same site, you will find, in one of the definitions: "Galaxies come in two major shapes: flattened disks with a central bulge, called spirals, and amorphous, semispherical blobs, called ellipticals."

The Earth is circular shaped.

No, to be correct, the earth is spherical.

You can claim a sphere and circle have no similarities at all,

Which I haven't done. They are, simply, not equivalent.

but the Earth is circular and round.

The earth, correctly, is spehrical. Round is acceptable, in some uses, as you would say a ball is round (but you would not properly say a ball is a circle).

A galaxy may look like a disk, but its not a disk because a disk is flat. Using disk to describe it doesn't mean it is one, so why does circle have to mean flat?

See above for "disk" and galaxies. If a disk is always flat, then certainly a circle is always flat. (A circle, by definition, is flat, though non-flat objects may sometimes be referred to as "circular.")

There is nothing in that verse that refers to a flat earth, in fact there is nothing in the Bible that refers to a flat Earth - you just choose to interpret it as such. Other places in the Bible refer to the Earth and imply sphere - the authors were not dumb. For such moron people you seem to think they are, they certaintly wrote the most poetic and complex writings on Earth, dwarfing even that of Shakespeare.

If the only thing you can conclude about Isaiah and "circle" is that they thought the Earth is flat, then Nasa is full of pretty foolish people , because a disk is flat too.

And astronomers refer to galactic disks, and refer to one major class of galaxies as disk-shaped.

Magus, you might want to reread a post I made on the previous page. You're barking up the wrong tree:

I have no idea as to whether the writers of the bible knew the earth was a sphere or not. It may be that they did - the Greeks and others of the time apparently recognized that fact, so the Biblical writers may well have learned that fact from them (no divine inspiration needed). So don't accuse me of making the flat earth argument - I don't, and I don't need to to "disprove" the bible.

I'm merely pointing out that your argument against the cited passage is bogus - the word used does not mean sphere, and a sphere is not a circle.

The plain fact is, Magus, is that I do not know whether the writers of the bible thought the earth was a sphere or a flat "circle", and neither do you. Your insistence that "circle" means "sphere" is meaningless, and not backed by the plain reading of the text or by any other evidence. It may be that the author was poetically (or for some other reason) calling the earth a "circle" while knowing it was not truly a circle; but I can't and don't know that for sure, and neither do you.

Spaz

Galaxies are disc-shaped. They're more concentrated at the center, but they spiral out and get very thin, they're not shaped like a ball as the earth is, they're shaped like a disc, a frisbee, a CD, a record, etc.

People during that time period thought that the earth was flat magus, why would they think it was round when they walked on the flat ground?