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Evil Milkman · 12-03-2002, 08:18 AM

The same thing happened with the Holocaust.

Kosh · 12-03-2002, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frivolous:
Well lets look at it this way:

1) 9/11 would have been very hard to fake
2) A highly organised, highly funded organisation would have found it difficult, but impossible?
3) America built an oil pipeline through Afghanistan after the taliban war.
4) Bush stayed in office
5) America liberally applies pressure to Iraq now

Any person can see that America benefited from 9/11 in certain ways. But how important these ways are, we probably dont know.

Now look at it from Al-Qaeda's view:

1) We hate america
2) Let's fly planes into their buildings for the purpose of scaring them, but we'll try and get away with it
3) But how will they know who scared them? Whats the point of that?

Of course, since you've bought the Noahs Ark story hook, line, and sinker, your gullibility rating has already been established....

fando · 12-03-2002, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frivolous:
Now look at it from Al-Qaeda's view:

You can honestly claim to know the viewpoint of Islamic terrorists? I think you have some serious issues, sir.

Zar · 12-03-2002, 02:08 PM

Crap like this only lets everyone off the hook by making doubters of the official line look silly. The herd instinct of not wanting to appear ridiculous is fed both by direct admonition ("you're not a patriot if you doubt the president") and by indirect ridicule ("you are like one of those kooks.")

What I mean is, nothing is better for an administration under scrutiny than to have extremist conspiracy theorists concocting bizarre theories and selling them hard. This helps increase the "chuckle factor" and creates a lightning rod for hurling accusations of quackery.

Aerik Von · 12-03-2002, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frivolous:
Well lets look at it this way:

Now look at it from Al-Qaeda's view:

1) We hate america
2) Let's fly planes into their buildings for the purpose of scaring them, but we'll try and get away with it
3) But how will they know who scared them? Whats the point of that?

Um...WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!?!?

I must say - your analysis is quite condescending and at best serves your purposes only.

*vomit*

**makTHRAX** · 12-03-2002, 02:57 PM

Actually I have evidence that Nostradamus had a deep hatred of America and in fact telepathically convinced the hijackers do attack the WTC. Not only does it prove ESP, but it proves the afterlife as well.

thx,
makTHRAX

Chip · 12-03-2002, 08:55 PM

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12-04-2002, 01:28 PM

Greetings Kosh,

Actually, the topic is incorrect -
he does NOT claim 9/11 in toto was faked,

he claims the
Pentagon was NOT hit by a jetliner

I too was a little sceptical about the jet airliner story :

* there are time-lapse photos of the explosion - perfectly symmetrical rising straight up from the edge of the wall, not moving inwards.

* the photos show no part of the jet

* no clearly recognisable pieces of the jet could be found

* the lawn was largely intact in some early photos, yet the jet supposedly hit the ground first (which is allegedly why there is no remains).

* the early photos showed the roof collapsed downwards, no evidence of inward force at all.

* the pattern of damage on the building did not seem to match the shape and size of a large plane

* original reports called it a "fire and roof collapse", the first footage looked just like a fire had caused the roofs to drop, no evidence of inward force.

Of course, this is not something I have studied closely, perhaps I am mistaken (and I look forward to being corrected on any wrong information) - its just my sceptical nose started twitching when the story changed from "fire and roof collapse" to "jetliner crash".

QuentinJ

Kosh · 12-04-2002, 01:43 PM

Hmm. So maybe that newly remodeled section had an explosion, and they just blamed it on the 9/11 attackers so they could further their anti-islamic cause?

Except for the eyewitnesses and the misssing plane, doesn't sound that bad...

slept2long · 12-04-2002, 01:55 PM

He's got it all wrong. A plane did fly into the Pentagon. But it was under remote control just like all the planes that day. That's why no one has heard the tapes the FAA has on all commercial jets that record ALL radio traffic from the planes that day. They clearly show the pilots repeatedly asking why they had no control over there aircraft.

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12-03-2002, 08:18 AM	#11
Evil Milkman Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	The same thing happened with the Holocaust.

12-03-2002, 02:08 PM	#14
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	Crap like this only lets everyone off the hook by making doubters of the official line look silly. The herd instinct of not wanting to appear ridiculous is fed both by direct admonition ("you're not a patriot if you doubt the president") and by indirect ridicule ("you are like one of those kooks.") What I mean is, nothing is better for an administration under scrutiny than to have extremist conspiracy theorists concocting bizarre theories and selling them hard. This helps increase the "chuckle factor" and creates a lightning rod for hurling accusations of quackery.

12-03-2002, 02:57 PM	#16
makTHRAX Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 51	Actually I have evidence that Nostradamus had a deep hatred of America and in fact telepathically convinced the hijackers do attack the WTC. Not only does it prove ESP, but it proves the afterlife as well. thx, makTHRAX

12-03-2002, 08:55 PM	#17
Chip Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 382	<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=001069" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=001069</a>

12-04-2002, 01:28 PM	#18
Iasion Guest Posts: n/a	Greetings Kosh, Actually, the topic is incorrect - he does NOT claim 9/11 in toto was faked, he claims the Pentagon was NOT hit by a jetliner I too was a little sceptical about the jet airliner story : * there are time-lapse photos of the explosion - perfectly symmetrical rising straight up from the edge of the wall, not moving inwards. * the photos show no part of the jet * no clearly recognisable pieces of the jet could be found * the lawn was largely intact in some early photos, yet the jet supposedly hit the ground first (which is allegedly why there is no remains). * the early photos showed the roof collapsed downwards, no evidence of inward force at all. * the pattern of damage on the building did not seem to match the shape and size of a large plane * original reports called it a "fire and roof collapse", the first footage looked just like a fire had caused the roofs to drop, no evidence of inward force. Of course, this is not something I have studied closely, perhaps I am mistaken (and I look forward to being corrected on any wrong information) - its just my sceptical nose started twitching when the story changed from "fire and roof collapse" to "jetliner crash". QuentinJ

12-04-2002, 01:43 PM	#19
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	Hmm. So maybe that newly remodeled section had an explosion, and they just blamed it on the 9/11 attackers so they could further their anti-islamic cause? Except for the eyewitnesses and the misssing plane, doesn't sound that bad...

12-04-2002, 01:55 PM	#20
slept2long Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 1,066	He's got it all wrong. A plane did fly into the Pentagon. But it was under remote control just like all the planes that day. That's why no one has heard the tapes the FAA has on all commercial jets that record ALL radio traffic from the planes that day. They clearly show the pilots repeatedly asking why they had no control over there aircraft.

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