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WinAce · 11-27-2002, 08:09 AM

I was bored, so I thought I would try my hand at <a href="http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/designer_organisms.htm" target="_blank">composing my very own creationist webpage</a>.

Yes, I went a bit overboard... what with the fabricating quotes by fake scientists to go with the real ones... but what they hey. Now taking bets to see how much time passes before some clueless creto falls for it and uses these in an argument here.

Zadok001 · 11-27-2002, 08:43 AM

You went overkill in the first paragraph. While a lot of people might make these same assertions, they wouldn't make them that close together or that clearly - Usually, it's an implicative element, that requires some thought on the part of the reader. You wrote:

"Evolutionists (a.k.a. militant atheists seeking to indoctrinate our innocent children into Satanism via the homosexual agenda shoved into our schools by the baby-killing liberals) have this silly habit of denying the undeniable, namely, that certain biological organisms exhibit every known criterion by which we normally infer design."

Definately overkill.

theyeti · 11-27-2002, 09:43 AM

Boy, you were bored! Nice work though. The fact that it's obviously satire shouldn't make you worry about overkill.

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Western Conenose, a.k.a. Kissing Bug (Triatoma protracta). [...] A finely-designed parasite which causes sleeping sickness also calls this bug its lovely (initial) home.

In case you were wondering, the parasite's name is Trypanosoma cruzi, a cousin of the more deadly African Trypanosomes. The parasite is actually passed on through the bug's feces instead of its bite (since it bites near the mouth -- hence the name "kissing bug" -- people tend to get its feces in their mouths). The disease it causes is sometimes referred to as American sleeping sickness, but is more commonly known as Chagas' disease. One of the symptoms IIRC is "meglospleen", where the spleen becomes enlarged to grotesque proportions. Fun!

theyeti

scigirl · 11-27-2002, 01:13 PM

Quote:

To paraphrase Trillian Whaley, if you're walking on the beach and find a finely crafted Iron Maiden, with fresh blood stains on it, no less, do you suppose the ocean put it together by chance, or that a Designer did?

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Except I first got confused with the Iron Maiden reference cuz I was thinking of the rock group (yes I did grow up in the eighties!)

I love that site - thanks for doing that!

scigirl

happyboy · 11-27-2002, 01:33 PM

for shame, winace. you left out of the obligatory bible verses to prove this point! how can anyone take this seriously if you don't point out the facts in God's word?

ageofreason2000 · 11-27-2002, 01:39 PM

Good one

You should,ve had a forum set up to see how many crackpots took the bait.

Keep up the good work.

Long live a death followed by, well, nothing (sure beats heaven with all those god fawners, now that would be hell!)

Age

Advocatus Diaboli · 11-27-2002, 02:24 PM

Heh heh. The real challenge is to figure out which messages are real and which are not.

<a href="http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/guestbook/guestbook.htm" target="_blank">http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/guestbook/guestbook.htm</a>

Oolon Colluphid · 11-29-2002, 12:26 AM

Excellent, WinAce!

You really ought to get some pics of those nasty critters though. Bush's Parasitism has some good ones that I can scan if you get stuck, but I'm sure there must be some on the web. I have some of bot-flies and sand fleas already, if you want to include those little delights.

DT

excreationist · 11-29-2002, 02:24 AM

I read some of those examples -
That is interesting stuff.

I think you used too much overly complex language in the intro and end though. I think creationists either speak technically and formally, or in plain language with humour. They don't combine both styles like you do (as far as I know). The way you've combined the technical style with humour is really annoying. But perhaps that was your plan.

Here are some quotes that are in the same vein as your page: (they are from the best - AiG)

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n2p50.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n2p50.asp</a>

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The Apostle Paul used the design argument in Romans 1:20, where he declares that God�s eternal power and divine nature can be understood from the things that have been made (i.e. evidences of design in nature). And he says that because of this, the ungodly are �without excuse�. But Paul continues that people willingly reject this clear evidence.

This evidence of design in nature is enough to condemn men, but it is not enough to save them. The Bible makes it clear that the preaching of the Gospel is also needed to show how we are to come into a right relationship with the Creator

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/Magazines/docs/v7n2_first.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/Magazines/docs/v7n2_first.asp</a>

Quote:

...A lifetime of study barely uncovers the tremendous designs which exist in the created world of nature. Beavers build large dams and spacious underground homes; wasps manufacture paper; some ants make living bridges so that their comrades can pass over water; other ants make boats from leaves to float across instead, while yet other ants practise animal husbandry, and herd aphids which they milk. Certain animals garden by planting fungi in specially prepared leaf moulds, and the famous Archer fish shoots flying insects with a stream of water, its eyes automatically correcting for optical refraction-an operation which most people cannot master however hard they try.

What can we conclude from this? Certainly not that blind chance or accident is the rule of law in nature. There are too many rules, too many laws and too much evidence of design to reach that conclusion rationally. As man learns more of the marvellous designs implanted in creation, he should be moved to appreciate evermore the wisdom of the God who made it all. The evidence of His handiwork is so obvious that not only do the heavens declare His glory, but the earth shows the evidence of His design. So much so that men are without excuse if they deny it.

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n2_moral.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n2_moral.asp</a>

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Ironically, many of those lamenting the loss of belief in moral absolutes have been active in promoting evolution. For example, Oxford�s Professor Richard Dawkins admitted in a recent radio interview:

�� any kind of politics that is based on Darwinism for me would be bad politics, it would be immoral. Putting it another way, I�m a passionate Darwinian when it comes to science, when it comes to explaining the world, but I�m a passionate anti-Darwinian when it comes to morality and politics.�

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3272.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3272.asp</a>

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Jaron Lanier: 'There's a large group of people who simply are uncomfortable with accepting evolution because it leads to what they perceive as a moral vacuum, in which their best impulses have no basis in nature.'

Richard Dawkins: 'All I can say is, That's just tough. We have to face up to the truth.'

Camaban · 11-29-2002, 03:17 AM

actually...

your best bet might be actually sending AIG an e-mail asking for advice on creating a small creationist website...

Then see what you can do with that

11-27-2002, 08:09 AM	#1
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	Organisms That Look Designed I was bored, so I thought I would try my hand at <a href="http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/designer_organisms.htm" target="_blank">composing my very own creationist webpage</a>. Yes, I went a bit overboard... what with the fabricating quotes by fake scientists to go with the real ones... but what they hey. Now taking bets to see how much time passes before some clueless creto falls for it and uses these in an argument here.

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11-27-2002, 08:43 AM	#2
Zadok001 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Steps Ahead Posts: 1,124	You went overkill in the first paragraph. While a lot of people might make these same assertions, they wouldn't make them that close together or that clearly - Usually, it's an implicative element, that requires some thought on the part of the reader. You wrote: "Evolutionists (a.k.a. militant atheists seeking to indoctrinate our innocent children into Satanism via the homosexual agenda shoved into our schools by the baby-killing liberals) have this silly habit of denying the undeniable, namely, that certain biological organisms exhibit every known criterion by which we normally infer design." Definately overkill.

11-27-2002, 01:33 PM	#5
happyboy Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the border between here and there, WV Posts: 373	for shame, winace. you left out of the obligatory bible verses to prove this point! how can anyone take this seriously if you don't point out the facts in God's word?

11-27-2002, 01:39 PM	#6
ageofreason2000 Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: UK (London) Posts: 103	Good one You should,ve had a forum set up to see how many crackpots took the bait. Keep up the good work. Long live a death followed by, well, nothing (sure beats heaven with all those god fawners, now that would be hell!) Age

11-27-2002, 02:24 PM	#7
Advocatus Diaboli Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 372	Heh heh. The real challenge is to figure out which messages are real and which are not. <a href="http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/guestbook/guestbook.htm" target="_blank">http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/guestbook/guestbook.htm</a>

11-29-2002, 12:26 AM	#8
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	Excellent, WinAce! You really ought to get some pics of those nasty critters though. Bush's Parasitism has some good ones that I can scan if you get stuck, but I'm sure there must be some on the web. I have some of bot-flies and sand fleas already, if you want to include those little delights. DT

11-29-2002, 03:17 AM	#10
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	actually... your best bet might be actually sending AIG an e-mail asking for advice on creating a small creationist website... Then see what you can do with that

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