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Oxidizing Material · 08-23-2002, 10:57 AM

<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28701" target="_blank">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28701</a>

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The First Amendment was never intended to remove all mention of God or religion from the public square," said Manion. "The Supreme Court and many other courts have long recognized the foundational role of the Ten Commandments in the development of our legal system... The display of the commandments with other historical and legal documents "makes clear that government is displaying [them] because of their undoubted secular importance and influence," the law center said.

Wow. Just... wow.

The BB is having a <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000340" target="_blank">field day</a> over it as well.

I thought we had come past this stage of ignorance. Apparently not.

Secular Elation · 08-23-2002, 11:02 AM

What imbeciles!

Usually I don't insult people that directly. But this guy, Manion, is clueless. He says that the founders did not intent to completely remove god from the public square.

But keeping the Ten Commandments off public property is not about that! It's about keeping the government neutral to religion!

Public posting of the Ten Commandments is a blatant violation of the First Amendment as there ever was. That religious document is specifically Christian. Just look at one of the commandments: "Thou shal not worship any idols before me." This flies in the face of anyone who belives in a deity other than the Christian one.

Fools!

ManM · 08-23-2002, 11:15 AM

Finally! Maybe free speech is coming back in vogue...

Philosoft · 08-23-2002, 11:16 AM

I wonder how it is the 10-Commandments-as-basis-for-American-legal-system nonsense is bandied about as truth in media so liberally without being contested when it is so absurdly easy for even a legal layperson to read each commandment and make a reasoned judgement about the constitutional applicability?

Secular Elation · 08-23-2002, 11:18 AM

ManM, how would disallowing the public posting of the Ten Commandments be against free speech, or is that the point you are making?

Philosoft · 08-23-2002, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by ManM:
<strong>Finally! Maybe free speech is coming back in vogue...</strong>

At the expense of historical accuracy. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Rusting Car Bumper · 08-23-2002, 11:19 AM

This is expected from a circuit court in Kentucky.

I don't see what the big deal is. Its The Supremes that get the real say.

DC

Secular Elation · 08-23-2002, 11:22 AM

I don't see what the big deal is. Its The Supremes that get the real say.

The 'big deal' is that these cases always have to go to the danged Supreme Court...why can't any of the lower courts have any brains?

ManM · 08-23-2002, 11:32 AM

Secular Elation,
I hope for a day when people (including government employees) are free to express themselves as they so choose. This ruling is a step in the right direction for a change.

Philosoft,
You should be in favor of the ruling. A bogus idea dies easy when it is out in the open. At the moment of censorship you give it the mystique of an underdog.

crazyfingers · 08-23-2002, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Secular Elation:
<strong>I don't see what the big deal is. Its The Supremes that get the real say.

The 'big deal' is that these cases always have to go to the danged Supreme Court...why can't any of the lower courts have any brains?</strong>

Some do. Some don't. At the moment there is a patchwork of rulings by courts across the country on this. The ACLU and others such as the AU and the FFRF have won some and lost some. At some point, one of these cases will likely get to the Supreme Court. However, I'm at least not yet aware of any that have made it even to the Circuit Courts. Though I could have missed a story.

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08-23-2002, 11:02 AM	#2
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	What imbeciles! Usually I don't insult people that directly. But this guy, Manion, is clueless. He says that the founders did not intent to completely remove god from the public square. But keeping the Ten Commandments off public property is not about that! It's about keeping the government neutral to religion! Public posting of the Ten Commandments is a blatant violation of the First Amendment as there ever was. That religious document is specifically Christian. Just look at one of the commandments: "Thou shal not worship any idols before me." This flies in the face of anyone who belives in a deity other than the Christian one. Fools!

08-23-2002, 11:15 AM	#3
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	Finally! Maybe free speech is coming back in vogue...

08-23-2002, 11:16 AM	#4
Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	I wonder how it is the 10-Commandments-as-basis-for-American-legal-system nonsense is bandied about as truth in media so liberally without being contested when it is so absurdly easy for even a legal layperson to read each commandment and make a reasoned judgement about the constitutional applicability?

08-23-2002, 11:18 AM	#5
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	ManM, how would disallowing the public posting of the Ten Commandments be against free speech, or is that the point you are making?

08-23-2002, 11:19 AM	#7
Rusting Car Bumper Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 4,171	This is expected from a circuit court in Kentucky. I don't see what the big deal is. Its The Supremes that get the real say. DC

08-23-2002, 11:22 AM	#8
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	I don't see what the big deal is. Its The Supremes that get the real say. The 'big deal' is that these cases always have to go to the danged Supreme Court...why can't any of the lower courts have any brains?

08-23-2002, 11:32 AM	#9
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	Secular Elation, I hope for a day when people (including government employees) are free to express themselves as they so choose. This ruling is a step in the right direction for a change. Philosoft, You should be in favor of the ruling. A bogus idea dies easy when it is out in the open. At the moment of censorship you give it the mystique of an underdog.

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