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conkermaniac · 07-10-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
They didn't have sex either.

So I guess Jesus only had one set of chromosomes?

Magus55 · 07-10-2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by conkermaniac
So I guess Jesus only had one set of chromosomes?

No, one set was from Mary, the other set was just created out of nothing. God is omnipotent - try to open your mind just a bit - creating a baby inside Mary is not that difficult for God.

Demigawd · 07-10-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
No, one set was from Mary, the other set was just created out of nothing. God is omnipotent - try to open your mind just a bit - creating a baby inside Mary is not that difficult for God.

*Opening mind* Can He leap tall buildings in a single bound? Is He more powerful than a locomotive? Does He fight for Truth, Justice, and the American way?

Come on, Magus! If you're going to advocate a mythology, at least make it interesting for a modern audience!

lpetrich · 07-10-2003, 09:07 PM

winstonjen:
... But was Mary married to the Holy Ghost? No.
Magus55:
They didn't have sex either.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Mary" -- the Christian God

lpetrich · 07-10-2003, 09:22 PM

Back to the main subject, the usual Biblical source on the Xtian Heaven is the Book of Revelation and how it describes the "New Jerusalem".

It is perpetually illuminated, it is built from gold and precious stones, and there is a special river flowing through it with a special tree growing at it.

Its inhabitants wear white robes, wave palm leaves, and sing hymns of praise all day.

Celsus · 07-10-2003, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by CX
We're starting to go pretty far afield here. Unless we can get back to something resembling a B,C&H topic we might want to bump this over to GRD

Well I see no sign of that happening, so off to GRD.

Joel

Ispikes · 07-11-2003, 04:08 AM

Some intelligent thoughts about heaven/utopia

http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/index.cgi/...ssays/fun.html

It's in there, just read. I don't really want to cut and paste

Taffer · 07-11-2003, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
Heaven is whatever you want it to be. And that is what God wanted Heaven to be like.

If it is 72 nubile and very horny virgins--that is what you get. If you want to play football (or watch football and drink beer and eat chips) all day long that is what you get. If you want your deceased pets around you --that is what you get. If you want to sit in a corner and be sad all day that is what you get. Whatever you want in Heaven to make it a real Heaven for you---------that is what you get. And you can change scenarios any time you get bored. Think about an eternity of changing scenarios!!!!!!!!!!

The trouble is that our minds are quite finite. There only so many (enjoyable) scenarios we could possibly conceive of. You'll love Heaven in the beginning (mmm, nubile virgins), but after a while, when you've tried and done everything you can think of a hundred times over, won't you get just a bit bored? After a looong while, it'll be more or less like mark9950 put it; You're just putting off the invevitable.

And when you get that far, you haven't even scratched the surface of the infinite time allocated to you.

The only possible solution I can think of is a complete and utter memory wipe. You ask God for the favour, he snaps his celestial fingers and hey, it's your first day in heaven all over again! I suppose that would interfere with all this free will and justice crap, but who cares, it's heaven.

Mageth · 07-11-2003, 09:33 AM

They didn't have sex either.
....
No, one set was from Mary, the other set was just created out of nothing.

Perhaps what you should say is that they didn't have intercourse. Combining two sets of chromosomes to generate a new life is the very essence of sexual reproduction.

God is omnipotent - try to open your mind just a bit - creating a baby inside Mary is not that difficult for God.

Well, then, having intercourse with her should have been well within his powers, too. And enjoying it.

There, am I open-minded enough?

I agree that making a baby in Mary shouldn't be that difficult for god to do, BTW. After all, even mere mortals like you and me could have done it if we'd been around in the day.

Paul Baxter · 07-12-2003, 06:42 AM

I still can't believe all of you can be writing about the question of sex in heaven based on a passage which doesn't mention or even imply the idea of heaven (that goes for you, too, Esther).

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lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Heaven -- The Book of Revelation? Back to the main subject, the usual Biblical source on the Xtian Heaven is the Book of Revelation and how it describes the "New Jerusalem". It is perpetually illuminated, it is built from gold and precious stones, and there is a special river flowing through it with a special tree growing at it. Its inhabitants wear white robes, wave palm leaves, and sing hymns of praise all day.

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07-10-2003, 09:07 PM	#44
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	winstonjen: ... But was Mary married to the Holy Ghost? No. Magus55: They didn't have sex either. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Mary" -- the Christian God

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Ispikes Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nowhere interesting Posts: 164	Some intelligent thoughts about heaven/utopia http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/index.cgi/...ssays/fun.html It's in there, just read. I don't really want to cut and paste

07-11-2003, 09:33 AM	#49
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	They didn't have sex either. .... No, one set was from Mary, the other set was just created out of nothing. Perhaps what you should say is that they didn't have intercourse. Combining two sets of chromosomes to generate a new life is the very essence of sexual reproduction. God is omnipotent - try to open your mind just a bit - creating a baby inside Mary is not that difficult for God. Well, then, having intercourse with her should have been well within his powers, too. And enjoying it. There, am I open-minded enough? I agree that making a baby in Mary shouldn't be that difficult for god to do, BTW. After all, even mere mortals like you and me could have done it if we'd been around in the day.

07-12-2003, 06:42 AM	#50
Paul Baxter Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mebane, NC Posts: 64	I still can't believe all of you can be writing about the question of sex in heaven based on a passage which doesn't mention or even imply the idea of heaven (that goes for you, too, Esther).

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