Paperstreet

Those are very interesting ideas. Are you suggesting that astrology has determined what we are?

Also, the most thought provoking thing you suggest is that we were or are perfect in a spiritual sense where time does not exist. Is this place heaven, well I guess it can't be a physical place you suggest, but maybe the spiritual heaven? If so, do we realize we are in heaven, in the spiritual sense?

Volker.Doormann

No. Astrology is a spiritual tool to encode the signs of time. Because each acting is coupled to a causality, there is no effect without a related cause. If we receive effects, there must be related causes. We are that, what we have thought in prior life's. Astrology is a tool, that can make this created causes by the self visible and intelligible as a clock can make time visible. There are times of peace and there are times of war. This time is time of war. Not only in Iraq. It is in everybody. One can tune in this consciousness or reject it from the self. The key is, to be aware of this challenge of the time, not to create actions, which are directed against other souls (or any remote gods). There is no need to act, only to understand principles, spiritual principles.
Yes. But the 'heaven' is not outside the own self. There is only to recognize the own self and it's lack's in perfection and bondage on secular claims of the society. Only who, who understand himself, do understand the order of 'heaven'. It is a very individual job. From this one may see, that each religion acting rituals is of no worth to the individual knowledge of the own inner self; it's just politics or stupid acting leaving the soul spiritual blind or sleeping.

Volker

spurly

Personally, I don't think they would have still been in the garden. Remember the command was to fill the whole earth with descendants. Unless the garden would expand as the number of people expanded, which I doubt, God's plan may not have been for us to stay in the garden forever.

Kevin