Sojourner553

I see you hold the view that babblings of lunacy are somehow equivalent to genius...

but only when YOU issue them.

Sojourner

Amos

The point is that it is their story, they wrote the good book and know exactly what is in it and why it is there.

It is all metaphor and allegory and no outsider will ever penetrate it not even come close. If, on the other hand, the myth draws you in it will automatically drag you to Rome. Or do you perhaps see any other ivory towers around? Surely not in the flat world of the SDA's.

Sojourner553

Frankly, I prefer the ancient GREEK myths!

Sojourner

diana

Which is why the Jews celebrate their "Sabbath" on the seventh day. But sabbath does not mean "seventh."

According to Strong's, which is as close as I get to understanding that died-and-rose-again language Hebrew, of which the word "Sabbath" is a part, Sabbath means "day of rest," or "week," or "year of rest." Basically, it's whatever day or year you determine is your "day of rest."

For the Jews, this is "the seventh day."

"Sabbath" and "seventh" happen to sound similar in English, which leads to confusion. In Hebrew, "seventh" is sh@biy`iy {sheb-ee-ee'}--not easily confused with "sabbath." See?

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diana

It's possible you did write that already, Amos, but I confess I don't usually take the time to read your posts and try to make sense of them unless I have plenty of time on my hands, am stupifyingly bored, and can't find any bamboo splinters to run under my nails.

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Amos

That's OK daina and I don't mind if you find dictionaries more interesting.

diana

Oh, not necessarily more interesting, Amos.... You are often difficult to compete with on that score, I admit.

But they are far more intelligible, and when people are confused about meanings, I am one of those sticks in the mud that seeks to clarify what was intended by tracing the confused (translated) word to its original tongue (if possible) in order to determine, to the best of my ability, what is likely to have been meant by it.

We can all sit around the fire, sing a few rounds of Kumbahya, and discuss the figurative meanings of the bible's "similitudes" until the cows come home, but this is less likely to clarify the meaning of "sabbath"--which I believe was inherent in the OP--and more likely to lead us all a little further from what for some of us is already a precarious grip on reality.

Reading your posts is like a drug trip, without the danger of coming up hot on a urinalysis. If you could somehow express your interpretations in a way that ties them to the reality that most of us are comfortably residing in, your ideas would likely meet with more serious consideration. How, exactly, you could tie your ideas into our reality, I have no idea.

Just as an aside, have you considered a career in mysticism? Anyone capable of extrapolating such outrageous yet internally-consistent meanings in words and symbols as you are must be hell on wheels with tarot cards.

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offa

Offa;
Enjoy, my starspun fundie. Santa is going to come down
the chimney and leave presents under your tree!


Starspun;"where is your proof of this claim?
And how do you reconcile 14 years being equal to
14 days? Step out of your fantasy land.
24 hours=1 day
365 1/4 days=1 year"


Offa;
"From The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament
by R.H. Charles, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1913 .p39"

Although months and seasons are accounted for in the calendar of Jubilees,
it was the recurring cycle of seven-day weeks that was used as the basic
model for structuring larger periods of time. Each period of seven years
was referred to as a "week of years" or simply as a "week". Each period
of seven weeks of years, i.e. forty-nine years, is designated a jubilee.


Offa, "A Jubilee Day is 1 year." You will discover in going to
<a href="http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/jubilee/" target="_blank">www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/jubilee/</a> that the sabbath fell
regularly on the seventh day of every week and that the year was
364 days long (6:31).

Offa; here is an incorrect explanation of Veadar:

"An extra month of the Hebrew year, having 29
days, added in leap years after the regular
month of Adar. Also called Veadar"

It is about intercalation. The correct answer is
17 1/2 day intercalation every 14 years. A 364
day year lacks 1.25 days a year of the solar
cycle. Multiply 1.25 x 14 and your result is 17.50
(the Egyptian calendar discovered by Julius
Caesar).

Oh, I do not know where I am at ... I just drink
into oblivion. My problem is with you fundies. I guess
I have to teach you math?

Amos

Sorry diana, I never meant to imply that sabbath means seventh. My point is that we come "full circle" on the seventh day and this is what is meant by sabbath. Full circle is when we arrive at the place we first started and now know it as if for the first time. Since Jews still await the Messiah their sabbath must be on saterday. Unlike Jews, we, as children of the light, can linger in the everlasting sabbath and enjoy the fruits of our labors in the full radiance of the seventh day. It is either that or else Christ rose in vein. Or do you think maybe it is best we sing another Kumbahya?

diana

I know. Others seem to consistently confuse the two, though.

I don't recall any "full circle" definitions in Strong's, which leads me to ask how you support this idea.

I understand what you're saying in the first sentence, but don't see how you got from there to the second.

Are you sure you didn't mean to say "sabbath"?

"But if Xst be not risen, then our teaching is intraveneous."

Anyday, Amos.

cheers,

d